21st Century Movie Musicals Draft (w/ Jean-Pierre Boudreaux)

Eli (00:01.69)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies We will not be doing that today. However, today is one of our fun Middle of the road episodes where in between right now we're in between West Side Story, which JP Boudreaux who's here with me today joined me for last week Great conversation on that movie, which we both loved

Next week we'll be doing the fabled men's but we're gonna do a movie draft episode today. So to go along with Spielberg's West Side Story, we are going to be drafting 21st century movie musicals so

Jean-Pierre (00:38.54)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (00:46.69)
I'm ready to dance fight our way into this draft for sure.

Eli (00:50.006)
Yes, I've been working on my pirouettes and my twirls and my snapping and you know or you know a rocket in my pocket.

Jean-Pierre (00:53.646)
Pair of wets?

Jean-Pierre (00:58.37)
Get your switchblade handy.

Jean-Pierre (01:04.94)
Whoa. OK. There you go. It's a revolver, guys. I'm talking about the revolver. Come on. You guys all know I can still carry.

Eli (01:07.414)
just going by the guy come on guys got a rocket in your pocket but i'll be cool but i'll keep cool i'll keep cool so

Jean-Pierre (01:17.208)
Get cool, boy. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Fair.

Jean-Pierre (01:24.811)
You want to tell the people what our ground rules we agreed to is.

Eli (01:27.992)
Yeah, yeah, let's talk about the ground rules. Well, okay, first, before we get into the ground rules, what makes, this is the big question, what makes a movie, we talked about it probably a lot last week, but maybe someone's jumping in for the first time today. What makes a movie musical distinct from a stage musical to you? Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:31.982)
Mm, mm, mm.

Jean-Pierre (01:49.166)
I mean obviously the big part is the perspective and like Obviously if you go watch a musical on stage you're in your seat and that's your only view

Eli (01:57.35)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:04.28)
When you're filming it, you can move the camera in and out of position. You can do a lot of other things to bring the audience into the moment. As well as something we talked about is, you know, a lot of very traditional stage plays, musicals included, that don't include microphones and things like that. Although most musicals probably would have some kind of microphone. But you're often having to perform, you're performing for the back row, right? You're projecting, you know, so sometimes,

Eli (02:30.353)
Right. Everything's bigger.

Jean-Pierre (02:34.244)
right exactly exactly bigger like you literally have to be more over the top with everything because you want the people all the way in the back to be able to see so you have to do a twirl and a movie you might just do like a little like but in a musical on a stage you have to do twice as much effort for people to see what's happening and so you can kind of lose some of the intimacy sometimes in a musical stage play that you can regain when you have a camera that you're bringing in and I think you just

Eli (02:37.445)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Jean-Pierre (03:04.144)
have again I not not to say that there's anything wrong with like a stage play musical but I think you just I think you just so have you have you have you just have so many more resources available when you're doing it as a film and you have a much more I don't want to say I don't know if unique is the right word but you have a much more maybe intriguing way to be able to present the material

Eli (03:11.504)
no, yeah, they're just different mediums. Yeah.

Eli (03:30.725)
Yeah, well I think so I think the big difference to me is in a stage play The audience you as the audience member you kind of in a lot of ways choose where to put your focus and so in that sense one of the cool things I think about a stage play is Especially with with stage plays where there's a lot of moving parts, you know, you have a lot of people on stage

Jean-Pierre (03:48.139)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:59.408)
for instance, for West Side Story that we covered last week, maybe at a time, there's a lot of stuff going on. Hamilton is another thing, but there's a ton of stuff going on on stage all at a time. And so the cool thing about a stage play is you as the audience member get to kind of decide what to focus on and what to watch. And so you can go several times and kind of like pick out different new things that you're noticing going on. And so there's that.

Jean-Pierre (04:05.976)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (04:17.823)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (04:25.614)
Mmm.

Eli (04:27.299)
that kind of element that is really cool about a stage play. Whereas in a movie musical, the director and the cinematographer are making those choices for you. But in that, you also are able to hone in and focus on the point that's trying to be driven or the moment or the character.

Jean-Pierre (04:41.582)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (04:54.105)
that you're wanting to focus on in those more like cinematic moments that kind of focus your attention. So I think they both have like their advantages and they're like, you know, they're different, you know, because obviously stage, there's people that just love stage plays and would go, you know, as often as I go to the movies to see a stage play.

Jean-Pierre (05:06.392)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (05:23.545)
I don't really have that, we don't really have that here in Lafayette, Louisiana as an option, but

Yeah, you know, they both have their advantages as far as like a medium to express stories and and whatnot. but yeah, for a movie musical, it's to me, it's just all about like what what decisions are like the filmmakers making to like focus your attention to give you like experiential moments of perspective, like you were saying that you can't really get.

Like from watching a whole stage of people Yeah And so here's my second question Why are musicals so much more rare in the 21st century? Or is that just like am I perceiving that are they actually more rare? Than they used to be now or Were they always kind of more rare?

but we just weren't experiencing it in the moment back then. I don't know. It just feels like you don't get as many musicals as you used to. I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Jean-Pierre (06:39.854)
Yeah Well, you know I was kind of in researching for this I pulled up on Wikipedia they have a page of list of musical films by year and As far as I can tell believe it or not There has not been a single year that has not included like quite a few musical films now

Eli (06:50.991)
Hmm.

Eli (06:55.333)
Jean-Pierre (07:09.088)
It's very obvious that after the 50s, it starts to go down. And then you can see it trending down over the years. But pretty much every year, there's at least 10 to 15 musical films that could be included. I do think...

Eli (07:16.441)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Eli (07:27.26)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre (07:33.751)
Obviously this is including like animated movies including like direct-to-dvd sequels and like it's including everything that could be considered a musical even if it's like Like I think I think I'm seeing on here like one of the options is like leprechaun in the hood Which you know, hopefully you weren't gonna pick that one for your draft. I'm like, I don't I've never seen that movie I know of it. I'm like, I don't know why that we could be considered a musical I'm guessing there's a couple like hip-hop moments in the movie or something. I don't know but

Eli (07:38.917)
Right.

Eli (07:50.693)
You

Eli (07:59.561)
you

Jean-Pierre (08:03.664)
But yeah, it's just just interesting or Yeah, so I'm looking at this list. I'm like there's definitely some movies on here that I'm like that's not a musical I don't know why you're

Eli (08:15.203)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (08:15.362)
calling it musical. you know, so I think it's not necessarily that they're more rare. I think that we just don't get a lot of, most of them are not on the level of like a West Side Story. Most of them are not being released in theaters. A lot of these are either gonna be animated or they're gonna be, you know, these days they'd be like direct to streaming probably. I think that's the biggest thing is that they're just, they're not,

Eli (08:26.197)
Right.

Jean-Pierre (08:42.772)
It's the same thing of like westerns, right? Like westerns are rare, but we usually get at least a few like high, like, you higher profile ones. They get some kind of theatrical release a year still.

Eli (08:45.322)
Sure, yeah.

Eli (08:56.759)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (08:57.71)
but you go back to like the forties or the fifties and like every movie was about it. So I think a lot of it has to just do with just an over saturation and people just get kind of sick of it. You know, I think that's kind of where we're starting to get with like superhero medium now in some way, or at least specifically the MCU. I feel like the MCU is definitely starting to kind of lose some steam with people. You see some of the last couple of films have not really done as well as they wanted. I think people are just kind of like,

Eli (09:14.117)
Yeah, yeah, sure

Jean-Pierre (09:27.664)
I don't know if it's so much they're tired of them or people are finally realizing that the quality is starting to really wane per se. But at the same time, I say that while we also have the DCU just now fully launching. So I think maybe the superhero bubble is a little bit different because there's so much material to pick from.

Eli (09:37.224)
Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Eli (09:54.49)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (09:55.916)
But I do think that when a certain genre is really latched onto and every single movie seems to be following that genre, they just start to kind of fall off after a while because audience are like, great. Like I'm sure they're like in the 50s, somebody's grandma was like, wow, another musical. Love it, you know.

Eli (10:10.229)
Sure.

Eli (10:18.309)
Yep, there's Fred Astaire at it again.

Jean-Pierre (10:23.278)
Right, exactly. And also you have to think about the two is like back then there wasn't any way to like consume the musical outside of going to see the film projected in the theater. There's no there's no home video version of it. There's no there's not really a recording you can take home necessarily.

Eli (10:33.015)
Right, at the theater, yeah.

Eli (10:39.853)
Right, yeah. Yeah, and you couldn't just go watch all the classics instead at home, you know? You had to see whatever we're showing at the theater, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (10:48.95)
Right, exactly, exactly. So I think that's part of it too. yeah, I know we just live in such a different world now. And so I think that there are still musicals more often than we realize. They're just not on the same level as they used to be.

Eli (11:02.911)
Yeah.

Eli (11:10.553)
Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say too, it's probably, I was going to say like, would bet that it's a lot to do with marketability too. these days, musicals probably used to be a lot more marketable to a wider audience. and it just seems like these days, any given person you say like, Hey, do you like musicals?

you get a lot of like, there's not a lot of people that are just like all in ready and excited for the next musical that comes out. I think when you have stuff like Wicked comes out, that's like a big deal. Like that can help the general public's opinion on musicals. But yeah, it's...

Jean-Pierre (11:46.574)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (11:50.99)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (11:57.358)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (12:06.585)
I think it's a marketability thing. Like studios aren't going to put a bunch of money behind a musical because they just don't feel like a wide art. They're going to make money off of it. at the end of the day. So, and I mean, there's a, there's a, a little bit of truth to that. We just talked about how Spielberg lost money on West Side Story and it's a huge, like it's a huge production, like phenomenal movie is still lost money. Now part of that is because it was coming out of COVID.

Jean-Pierre (12:28.142)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (12:36.389)
I But I don't know that it would have been done like if it released today, if it would have done like a ton better. It would have done better for sure. But I think it still would have been like only making a little bit of money like net, you know, a net profit. So. Because there was over a hundred million dollar movie.

Jean-Pierre (12:55.118)
Yeah, probably. I think, um...

Jean-Pierre (13:00.522)
Yeah, yeah, and I really hate to say this, but I really think you got to, you really just got to latch on to, to the viral marketing. mean, I'm thinking about like, K-pop demon hunters, which I've not watched, but it's just apparently taking the world by storm. I'll probably see it eventually, but, I still have, I don't Netflix, so I have to either use watch it while I'm at someone else's house as Netflix or.

Eli (13:12.967)
Yeah. It's really good. You should watch it. It's honestly really good. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (13:29.506)
find other ways that I wouldn't know how to do. But at the same time, it's always really cool to see something like that become really popular because it's something different. I remember when Squid Game exploded, I was very happy because I'm like...

Eli (13:35.526)
Yeah. Right.

Jean-Pierre (13:51.487)
I love seeing people, mean, not, mean, K-pop is like, it's an English language film and it's made by Sony animation, but just people consuming something that's kind of representative of another culture, I think is great, you know?

Eli (14:05.797)
Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's set the ground rules for our draft. The big one is this is 21st century movie musicals. So we're talking about movies released from 2000 to today, the year 2000 to today. So not 1999. Not 2026, but but from 2002 today. So that's the big one.

The other thing, we're not doing like, so musical can be a broader term to also include things like jukebox musicals or like musical biopics, which are like, you can think of things like Bohemian Rhapsody or Rocketman, which are like biopics about artists and there are performances that are like artistically,

placed in the film to relate to the artist. Like there is that sort of thing. But it's more like a biopic than a musical. And so we're not really including stuff like that. We're doing, we're going with like the traditional way you think of musicals. So that's, that's the second ground rule. The third one is we're each allowed one animated musical.

Jean-Pierre (15:05.166)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (15:32.197)
So you can think you're Disney musicals or, you know, there's, you know, I kind of doubt you're going to choose Trolls, but something like Trolls, I guess, could probably count as a musical.

Jean-Pierre (15:32.302)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (15:43.918)
Literally any of the pitch perfect films would be what we're talking about. mind. I completely missed the plot about, I thought we were still talking about jukebox musicals, animated musicals. yes, yes, yes,

Eli (15:53.474)
Animated yeah No, yeah pitch perfect would be like a jukebox musical not really a musical. They're just kind of singing songs all throughout so

Jean-Pierre (16:02.99)
That's true, that's true. It's like, let's see the side of it too. It's like, okay, if they just sing a song, is that a musical? You know, like, I wouldn't say so either. think musicals...

Eli (16:11.013)
No, it's not. I have a movie that I consider a musical that my wife and other people I've talked to say definitely not a musical. Because they just sing songs. They're performing songs throughout, but the songs are originally written for the movie and they do play into the plot. It's just like they're not just breaking out into song per se.

Jean-Pierre (16:24.248)
Well, if you include it, we'll let the people decide.

Jean-Pierre (16:31.118)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (16:40.236)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (16:40.965)
So I don't know and there's maybe like to my wife there's not enough of those music moments in the movie either

Jean-Pierre (16:51.404)
What do you think is the bare minimum for a musical? How many musical numbers?

Eli (16:56.228)
I don't know like for let's say for like an hour 30 hour 45 minute movie I mean you probably want at least like what seven five to seven at least

Jean-Pierre (17:09.038)
I think five is kind of what I felt like is the very minimum. If you got five good songs, okay, we're there.

Eli (17:13.562)
Yeah. Yeah. And this one that I'm talking about definitely has. Anyway. West Side Story has like 10.

Jean-Pierre (17:21.134)
I mean, because West Side Story has like, it's like, yeah, it's like two and a half hours. So I mean, that's, I mean, you feel like there'd be more in that kind of runtime. But I think you get something like Jesus Christ Superstar, which like the whole thing is songs like rock opera, you know.

Eli (17:28.099)
Yeah.

Eli (17:32.846)
Yeah

Eli (17:38.018)
The whole thing, yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (17:42.508)
I'll be asking you this before we get into it. What's your opinion on a musical versus a rock opera? Do you have a preference?

Eli (17:49.478)
No, I don't know that I've seen enough rock operas per se. Like I'm thinking of like Phantom of the Paradise is like a rock opera and that's really good.

Jean-Pierre (18:06.104)
Well, just read it's like, like, like a musical is like...

Eli (18:10.607)
Phantom of the Opera is a rock opera for what it... Have you ever seen Phantom of the Opera? It's a rock opera. I mean, it's got a lot of like electric guitar parts. I mean, it's got all the organ stuff too, but...

Jean-Pierre (18:18.312)
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't consider it rock opera.

Jean-Pierre (18:25.942)
Well, rock opera is not necessarily meaning rock music, but it's meaning like rock opera is a term for like almost from beginning to end, almost every single thing is sung. Versus a musical is like there'll be spoken parts and then breaking, yeah, I mean a little bit, yeah.

Eli (18:30.777)
Yeah.

Eli (18:42.649)
That's how Phantom of the Opera is though. No, it is like the like I would say probably like 90 % of 90 % or more of Phantom of the Opera's song. So maybe Phantom of the Paradise maybe not because there's it's broken up with dialogue and song but Phantom of the Opera like the actual

Jean-Pierre (18:56.142)
Yeah, maybe so. It's been a while since I saw it, but that's like my mom's favorite musical.

Eli (19:08.921)
We watched it back, and my wife did musical march back in March and so we watched a bunch of musicals in the month of March. Some just us two, some with the kids. So we watched the, I can't remember which recording it was of the Phantom of the Opera. I had never seen it before. yeah, it was.

Jean-Pierre (19:19.758)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (19:30.434)
Like a Broadway recording. nice.

Eli (19:33.549)
It wasn't Broadway, was like the London one. It's like the main, when you look it up, it's like the main one.

Jean-Pierre (19:36.864)
Okay.

with Michael Crawford as the Phantom.

Eli (19:43.277)
I don't know. I don't remember who the...

Jean-Pierre (19:46.806)
Yeah, that's my mom's favorite musical and she loves that version of the Phantom, so.

Eli (19:50.818)
Gotcha. Yeah, I mean I can tell you in two seconds because I have it pulled up No, it's Ramin Karimlu Karimlu It's the the Phantom of the Opera at the Royal Albert Hall is if you like look it up, that's what it's 2011 But yeah, I mean yeah, let's do we need any more ground rolls or any more

Jean-Pierre (19:59.938)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (20:20.75)
Nothing, we're good. Let's get into this.

Eli (20:22.757)
Let's jump into it. Unfortunately, you have the first pick because I picked first when we did our movie presidents draft. So now it's your turn to pick first again and I'm kind of upset about it.

Jean-Pierre (20:34.424)
Man, a lot of power here. Because I know there's probably a couple really heavy hitters we're both going to be trying to go for. I do, I do. And I can think of two that I really would love to have on my list. And I'm probably going to have to let go. Yes.

Eli (20:45.187)
Yeah, you think so.

Eli (20:51.597)
pause. Just like all other typical movie drafts, we're doing like this is the West Side Story. It's the like the the main honorable mention. Are we agreeing on that?

Jean-Pierre (21:06.71)
yeah, of course.

Eli (21:08.453)
because I think it might be my number one choice if it was on the board. That's fair. Okay, so go ahead, go ahead.

Jean-Pierre (21:12.622)
That wouldn't be my number one choice, but fair enough. Yeah, okay, think, okay, so a little flip fact about me. I think I've talked about this, but I grew up in a family that was very musical. My mom loves musicals, broadways. My sister especially, she used to watch, she'd start listening to a new musical and she would watch or listen to it for weeks on end, learning every single song. A little annoying.

Eli (21:39.053)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (21:39.759)
if I'm honest, one of the movies, and I think I gotta start with this. One of the movies that she watched every day for like three weeks straight that at first I was really annoyed, didn't wanna watch, and then there was a scene of it that caught my attention and I finally watched the entire thing and I think is probably one of the greatest musicals ever to film, especially considering everything was sung 100 % live.

I think I'm going to open up with 2012's version of Les Miserables with Hugh Jackman and a bunch of other people. Phenomenal cast, phenomenal music, phenomenal cinematography, everything about it.

Eli (22:20.619)
You hold on Hugh Jackman and a lot of other people you've got to mention and Hathaway You got a by name. She has to be mentioned

Jean-Pierre (22:25.134)
I was, I was, yeah, and at the way Russell Crowe, uh, uh, I was, I'm sorry. was just blanking on Eddie Redmayne, uh, Amanda safe, Cypher, it's such a very, he's great. know, Helen Blanking Carter. I mean, I, there's a, there's a ton of great, great, great,

Eli (22:32.677)
Sasha Baron Cohen. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (22:44.99)
performers in there. Especially like it's really cool seeing Hugh Jackman considering that like a little fun fact for the audience if you don't know like prior to Wolverine he was actually a Broadway actor in Australia and so this was kind of his his returning to musical theater of sorts prior to like The Greatest Showman which I actually kind of hate that movie but but anyway so Les Miserables so

Eli (22:46.595)
Yeah.

Eli (23:11.173)
Spoiler, JP will not be choosing the greatest shaman.

Jean-Pierre (23:14.603)
I will not be picking The Greatest Showman. I'm sorry, y'all. And if any of you out there like that movie, have fun.

Eli (23:22.757)
There are a lot of people, there's a lot of fans of that movie, so you might have just ruined your chances at winning by slandering The Greatest Showman.

Jean-Pierre (23:25.774)
I was...

That's true. true. mean, I thought I watched that and I was like, this feels like they wrote the songs first and then they tried to figure out how to put a musical around it. Anyway, I digress.

Eli (23:39.69)
That's fair Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of that either to be honest, but yeah, I don't mind it but yeah So yeah limb is directed by Tom Hooper who also directed 2019's cats so That's also on the board, you know

Jean-Pierre (23:58.061)
Which, spoiler, I don't think either of us would be picking that one either, but you never know. I mean, I was too scared by CGI cat suit Taylor Swift, so.

Eli (24:03.225)
haven't seen it so but yeah

Yeah, yeah good pick

Jean-Pierre (24:16.366)
And who's that British guy? The gym?

Eli (24:20.709)
yeah, he does this the late show Yeah, cordon cordon. Yep Yeah, good pick. I haven't seen This version of late. Well, this is the only version I've seen. No, no, no, I haven't seen it since I saw it in theaters I was trying to remember if I've seen it since then but yeah, I haven't seen this since I saw it in theaters and I

Jean-Pierre (24:23.138)
That guy's character. Yeah. James Corden, that's the thing.

Jean-Pierre (24:34.382)
Dang dude, you did a musical march?

Jean-Pierre (24:47.648)
I the other musical marches didn't watch Les Mis.

Eli (24:50.713)
Well, we tried to watch a lot of ones we haven't seen before. And so fill in a lot of blind spots. yeah, and then the month is only so long. So eventually it was April. And April, musical April doesn't sound as good. I remember loving this movie back when I saw it, but I haven't seen it since then.

Jean-Pierre (24:54.542)
Okay, fair, fair.

Jean-Pierre (25:10.254)
That's true.

Eli (25:19.555)
It's one of those that like I have it on my list, but it would be like if I was taking it, it would kind of be like, I think I would still love this movie, but I don't, I don't know. it's kind of, it's kind of one of those movies that like some people really love. Some people are kind of man on, and then there's some people that like, are like, not very good. it's kind of got people on all ends of the spectrum.

Jean-Pierre (25:29.358)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (25:44.494)
I also...

Yeah, I also feel like I really love Key and Peele's parody of Les Mis, like the sketch that they did. It's so funny.

Eli (25:56.016)
I don't think I've seen that. I've seen a lot of their stuff, but I don't think I've seen that.

Jean-Pierre (26:00.471)
Like they have a full on sketch that they did for their show years ago after this movie came out where they matched like the vibe and the set and they're just like kind of making fun of like because like I think the joke about Les Mis specifically is like it's got a lot of like everybody's singing different things at the same time.

Eli (26:20.389)
Sure. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (26:20.95)
which I think is kind of the magic of musicals, of like the ensemble. And I really love, but I do know that for some people it might be a bit much.

Eli (26:29.775)
Yeah

Jean-Pierre (26:30.734)
And so, but yeah, think, I think, yeah, so I recommend for anyone who is a fan of musicals, if you haven't seen that sketch, literally just go to YouTube, Key and Peele, Les Mis, and I'm sure you'll be able to find it. And I highly recommend watching that. You'll get a a good giggle out of that for sure. So, was an honorable mention.

Eli (26:51.673)
Yeah, I also know I also am I also am remembering I saw this in theaters with my ma who which is my grandma That's what I call her. So shout out to her. She's whenever I've seen movies with her in my life She is like she always wants to pull the moral of the story out right after you see the movie and try to figure out what the moral is and I don't remember what she did with Les Mis but I mean that's

Jean-Pierre (27:12.558)
Hmm.

Eli (27:18.179)
chock full of morals of the story so I'm sure she had something for that one.

Jean-Pierre (27:23.116)
I bet you she's like an A-tier post-movie discussion circle member.

Eli (27:28.145)
yeah, yeah for sure. I remember seeing King Kong with her, the James Cameron King Kong, and she was like, she was ready man with her take away. Peter Jackson, yeah I don't know why I said James Cameron, but yeah.

Jean-Pierre (27:38.286)
Peter Jackson.

I don't know what a James Cameron King Kong movie would look like.

Eli (27:45.229)
It'll probably look really good.

Jean-Pierre (27:48.268)
Not, I mean, maybe if we're talking like aliens, James Cameron, but not Avatar James Cameron.

Eli (27:51.782)
I don't know. Okay, I'm glad you made that pick so that I can make the pick probably the other movie you were going to pick. Yeah, I'm going with 2016's La La Land by Damien Chazelle. Yeah, mean, Took the World by Storm.

Jean-Pierre (28:04.982)
Yeah, yeah probably.

Eli (28:21.189)
Won an Oscar for two seconds. I won a Best Picture Oscar for two seconds before it was taken away Moonlight is a great movie. I like Lala and more but it was one of those where it's like yeah, okay, I can see I can see it, you know, it's a great movie, but yeah, Lala land I'll say this too. It's it is a It's not our like a remake

Jean-Pierre (28:26.218)
and it should have won Best Picture anyway.

Eli (28:50.095)
but it is a hugely, it's hugely inspired by the story of one of my other favorite all time musicals, is the Umbrellas of Cherbourg. Great, great French musical, which is completely sung by Jacques Demy. If you haven't seen that movie, you should see it. It's great. But yeah, Ryan Gosling.

and Emma Stone just making movie magic. It's just great. It's just great all around. It's not like cliche in the right ways. You know, it's cliche when it needs to be, but doesn't like sit in the cliche, obviously with like the ending and whatnot. But yeah, I love La La Land. I think everybody loves La La Land. Every once in a while,

Jean-Pierre (29:41.315)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (29:50.232)
one of the songs I'll catch myself humming even though I probably haven't seen it in like a couple years at this point since I saw it last but still those songs just like pop up in my head so yeah Wildland. Mm-hmm yep that's one of them yeah. All right from here I don't know where you're gonna go honestly.

Jean-Pierre (29:58.222)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (30:03.096)
Hmm. I

Eli (30:18.859)
I have no clue, so...

Jean-Pierre (30:20.748)
Yeah, I definitely got a couple others that I very strongly want to be able to have on my list, but we'll see how goes. So, okay, think for my next pick, I think I gotta go for one that I feel like even if you don't like musicals, you would probably like this movie.

Eli (30:25.586)
Okay.

Eli (30:40.64)
Hmm, okay.

Jean-Pierre (30:42.166)
because I would say it's a musical for people who don't like musicals because I think that the overall vibe of it, a lot of people could really get behind.

It's got a great cast, great team in front and behind the camera. I think I gotta go with 2007's Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, starring Johnny Depp, Helen Lee Bowen Carter, Alan Rickman, directed by Tim Burton. So if you like the Tim Burton vibe, there's plenty to love here. It's a really like...

Eli (31:04.513)
All right, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (31:19.982)
It's like a really stunning film to look at visually, even though it's got kind of a bit of a washed out color palette. But then when the blood shows up, it kind of helps counteract that, right? Because they make it really red. And so the whole world is this very, it's in color, but everything's very black and white and gray. And so except for a couple...

Eli (31:31.971)
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (31:45.155)
very like key things like certain people's hair or if a blood shows up or this person's wearing this particular outfit. but yeah, I mean, the songs in it are great. There's definitely not as many as some other musicals. But what do you think about that when I say I think it's a musical for people who maybe would traditionally like musicals, but I think this one's a little bit more consumable maybe for people.

Eli (32:10.97)
Yeah, I think the Tim Burton of it all probably helps in that regard Yeah, and Helena bottom Carter's doing her thing that she always does and it's always pretty great. So This is another one. I haven't seen it's been even probably even longer

Jean-Pierre (32:16.236)
And Johnny Depp's great. I think this is one of his best roles.

Eli (32:30.085)
I don't think I've seen it since I was in high school, I When I saw that I saw it I probably a couple of times during high school But I don't think I've seen it since and I wasn't really into musicals in the high school per se I wasn't like anti musical I guess but I wasn't like let me go watch a musical so I really liked it back then and so that probably is a point in favor of

Jean-Pierre (32:31.372)
It's got a bit of a horror vibe to it too, so I think that helps.

Jean-Pierre (32:43.598)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (32:49.966)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (32:59.661)
your point of a musical for people who aren't really into musicals necessarily. But yeah, it was definitely on my list. I was probably gonna pick it at some point if you didn't, even though it's been so long since I've seen it. But yeah, good pick. Can't go wrong with... Yeah, you can't... Well, I won't spoil what the movie is.

Jean-Pierre (33:00.91)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (33:05.346)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (33:15.149)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (33:28.777)
happens in the movie. Yeah, Tasty. I'll just say that. Okay, yeah, if you know, know. Okay, so we are picking one animated each. We're allowed one animated one. If we were, if it was like unlimited animated, the list might just be a bunch of Disney Disney movies.

Jean-Pierre (33:37.07)
You're on for that one, bro.

You know you know.

Jean-Pierre (33:57.538)
That'd be boring.

Eli (33:58.086)
So yeah, that would be boring. So we're doing one each. I don't think I'm going to pick mine yet, even though I highly regard my top choice. And I don't even know if this movie that I'm about to pick, I don't even know like if it's on your radar. But I am going to go with Lin-Manuel Miranda's 2021 film, Tick, Tick, Boom.

starring Andrew Garfield as Jonathan Larson. It's kind of the story of him writing and getting rent done ready. It's really like the failed project before he writes rent more so. And it's based off of like a kind of solo, a solo

Jean-Pierre (34:47.992)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (34:55.605)
musical sort of show that Jonathan Larson performed called Tick Tick Boom and so this is like Lin-Manuel Miranda's like musical version of like adaptation of his it there's a lot going on with it but have you seen this movie have you seen Tick Tick Boom? man

Jean-Pierre (35:17.838)
I've not it was definitely it's definitely movie that's been on my radar that I want to get around to one of these days love Andrew Garfield Vanessa Hudgens, I know she's in it. She was a bit of a childhood crush of mine for sure. Yeah, I know eventually I'll get around to it But and I've seen some clips of some of the songs and stuff and it looks like it's it's pretty solid

Eli (35:24.741)
It's...

Yeah, yep. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, it's really, really great. It's a lot of fun. And it's got some really, really catchy tunes too. And so, yeah, it's just...

I wasn't sure if you'd seen it or not, but I just had to take it right here because it's probably the next like non-animated one on my list that I like the most. So yeah, tick tick boom. I mean you can't go wrong with Lin-Manuel Miranda, Yeah, that's my pick. Where are you going next?

Jean-Pierre (36:04.738)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (36:11.68)
Right, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (36:19.168)
Alright, man, you know, there's just so many choices, surprisingly. But I think I gotta honor a real classic at this point. You know, as I said, a musical that I really love, and I specifically love the film version of. And growing up, it was very highly regarded in my household.

Eli (36:25.893)
Okay, I haven't seen that.

Jean-Pierre (36:47.854)
I think I've got to go with 2004 as the fan of the opera. I think this is a great film, the way it's shot. It's got that really great gothic vibe to it. And personally, this is a good value, very controversial to the real... What do you call musical fans? they music heads?

Eli (37:15.993)
I don't know.

Jean-Pierre (37:16.558)
Showtune addicts. don't know. You show tuners out there. Probably a hot take, but Gerald Butler is my favorite Phantom. I think he sounds great in this movie. Emily Rossum sings like an angel. also have Patrick Wilson in a very in a kind of an earlier role in his career in this movie as the Count de Vicomte.

Eli (37:22.35)
Yeah.

Eli (37:33.923)
Ha ha ha.

Okay.

Jean-Pierre (37:42.978)
whatever they say in French, can't remember. But yeah, it's just a fun, it's a really fun musical and just overall just a really good vibe in this film, I think.

Eli (37:51.58)
Yeah.

Eli (37:56.647)
Yeah, but I forgot this is directed by Joel Schumacher too, which is kind of interesting. But I would assume it's better than Batman and Robin.

Jean-Pierre (38:03.714)
Definitely, yeah, definitely one of his better films.

mean, it's definitely better made. I Batman and Robin is a fun movie. Batman Forever, I think, is better than Batman and Robin, but they're both, know.

Eli (38:13.825)
Sure, yeah. yeah, I would agree. But yeah, I mean, I I watched Phantom of the Opera for the first time, like the state of filming of the stage production back in March and thought it was incredible. The performers in that particular recording like were incredible, like

like chills like chill bumps on my skin incredible on some of the in some parts of the movie or of the performances so yeah i i can see how this would be a good like there could be a good movie adaptation of it so i haven't seen this but maybe next march maybe next march we'll watch this version of it

Jean-Pierre (39:03.438)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (39:12.17)
Yeah, and it's interesting. Everyone, as far as I know, everyone in the film does their own singing. I don't think they sing live on Saturday. Except for Mimi Driver, who plays Carlotta, which is very interesting because she has some very infamous, like very operatic moments. And so she is dubbed over. But there's actually a song that she sings.

Eli (39:21.294)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (39:40.489)
on the over the end credits. Her voice sounds good, she just couldn't do like the operatic stuff necessary to play Carlotta.

So that is kind of interesting, but I think it's a great adaptation of the musical and a great production design too, like just recreating kind of the vibe of like 18th or 19th century Paris, whenever it's like the 1830s, whatever it is. So yeah, highly recommend that as well.

Eli (39:51.322)
Yeah.

Eli (40:10.458)
Yeah.

Eli (40:15.941)
Okay, this is my third pick. I think I'm gonna hold off on animated again. I have, so I have one that's like an off the wall pick. That's just like, I don't know that it's one of those that I might do on my last pick if I'm feeling like, feeling crazy, cause it's definitely not gonna get me any votes in the poll.

because I don't think anyone has seen this movie that's going to be voting in these polls. So I might hold off on that. I'm going to do one. So this is one that I think is.

I it's it's I'm by picking this I might be kind of cheating and having being able to do an animated and I still have a Disney movie two Disney movies but this is one that I don't love this but I do think it's a lot of fun and has a really great lead performance by Amy Adams if this is gonna tip you off but I'm gonna pick Enchanted

Jean-Pierre (41:15.694)
Great.

Jean-Pierre (41:27.852)
Hmm.

Eli (41:30.277)
It's a really fun movie kind of the the classic princess movie obviously starts off Animated for not very long before its live-action. So I don't think it's an animated movie quote-unquote. But Yeah, I I enjoyed I saw this with my wife Years ago, I had never seen it back when it came out

Jean-Pierre (41:37.272)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (41:46.486)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (41:55.054)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (41:58.896)
But I enjoyed it. I thought it was a lot of fun. And yeah, has all the things you want from a princess movie. And Amy Adams really sells you on that kind of ditzy character, ditzy princess character that they're kind of playing off of. yeah. That's my pick.

Jean-Pierre (42:15.534)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (42:23.872)
Okay, great.

Jean-Pierre (42:28.896)
Okay, I think for my fourth pick here, think I gotta go, I think, you know, I'm a man of the people. You know, and I think I gotta give the people what they want. You know, and for us, for us millennials, I got a little nostalgia pick for you. Okay? One that, you know, arguably probably isn't a great movie, but kind of following up with you about, you know, having...

Eli (42:36.877)
Yeah, for sure.

do it. Give it to them.

Eli (42:54.948)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (42:58.702)
potentially having two Disney movies, one of them which being animated, although maybe I'll pick a non-Disney animated movie. But I think we would be remiss if we don't include at least one High School Musical. I think I gotta throw High School Musical in as my fourth pick. One of those movies that like, you know, if I go back today and watch it, I'm probably gonna think it's pretty cheesy. But some of those songs are great. I mean...

Eli (43:12.025)
Okay.

Eli (43:27.173)
So here's the thing.

Jean-Pierre (43:28.226)
We're all in this together, everyone. I mean, come on.

Eli (43:32.461)
Yeah. Here's the thing. I have never seen any of the high school musicals. I've never seen them, but I still I still know the words to some of the songs. So there you go. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (43:38.626)
Wow. Okay.

Jean-Pierre (43:43.719)
It's a cultural, it was a cultural moment, I remember when that first one came out, I mean, everyone loved it. Everyone loved it. And I think it was a theatrical release, right? It wasn't like a Disney Channel movie. I'm pretty sure.

Eli (43:51.385)
Yeah. for sure.

Eli (43:59.462)
I don't know. I think it might have been a it might have been a decom that got a theatrical release because it was so big.

Jean-Pierre (44:09.582)
does say it's a television film, but I mean, I guess it does.

Eli (44:12.589)
Yeah, it's a it's a decom for sure, but I do think it did get some some theatrical love too. but yeah, I mean I was like I would have been Like a Sophomore somewhere in there in high school when this movie came out and so Yeah, and so like I was kind of at that like two

Jean-Pierre (44:35.916)
I think I was in sixth grade.

Eli (44:42.046)
cool for school age so that's probably why I never really watched it

Jean-Pierre (44:43.766)
Hmm.

Eli (44:49.721)
But and then and now I'm at the point where I'm like, I don't really have any reason to go watch it other than like if my wife really wanted to force me to watch it with her. So. But, you know, it is.

Jean-Pierre (44:55.214)
Maybe when your kids are a little bit older, you know? Do you ever feel like you have to be careful about what movies you your kids watch, even if they're age appropriate, because then they're going to want to watch it over and over and over again? So like you let... Okay, great. Great.

Eli (45:11.527)
no, don't do that. If they want to watch it over and over again, it's just like, no, we're not watching that. We do the same thing with music. Yeah, we're not a kid-controlled family. We make the decisions because we're the adults.

Jean-Pierre (45:20.48)
OK. That easy, huh? There you go.

Eli (45:35.397)
I don't really understand these families that are like, we had to listen to Baby Shark in the car again. I'm like, why? aren't you controlling the phone? I don't really get it personally, so.

Jean-Pierre (45:47.534)
turning into a controversial parenting podcast.

Eli (45:51.59)
parenting show this is my podcast so I can state my opinions if I want to man it's just one of those things that like I'm always like but why why your kids control it I don't know but my our kids aren't like the only thing they want to watch over and over again is bluey and I'm kind of okay with that like it's cuz they're like eight minute episodes and I can be like okay

Jean-Pierre (45:57.071)
Wow. I didn't mean to hit such a nerve there, man. Oh, wow.

Jean-Pierre (46:07.66)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli (46:21.379)
just two Blueys and then, you know, we're done. So we limit the screen time with our kids though. So. no, we are not watching Blueys right before bed. No way. Ain't no way. They never go to sleep. Yeah. Man, that was quite the bunny trail. I've got to make another pick.

Jean-Pierre (46:27.8)
Just two boys and straight to bed with ya!

Eli (46:50.565)
I'm gonna go ahead. It's I guess it's time for the animated movie I'm I did so I saved it for this long because I did do some like Some a little bit of research scrolling down the people that have logged this movie and saw that you did not have it quite Highly rated enough for me to think that you're gonna take it But this is one of my favorite Disney movies just all time

I'm gonna go with Moana. I love Moana. I don't know, just the kind of theme of this calling that's higher than you and kind of not knowing what to do with being confused by that calling and not knowing what to do with it. Her kind of big moment, like epiphany moment always kind of makes me like.

Jean-Pierre (47:21.102)
Thank you.

Mm.

Jean-Pierre (47:27.16)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (47:41.806)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (47:50.182)
tear up a little bit. And then you get the rock like rapping badly too. So there's that. That's a lot of fun. Yeah, I love Moana. I think it's a great movie and it's a musical. It is kind of the classic Disney princess musical. So I have my Enchanted and I have my Moana. So.

Jean-Pierre (47:53.283)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (47:57.199)
Yeah, that's true.

Jean-Pierre (48:08.961)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (48:16.27)
Okay, fair enough.

Eli (48:18.641)
I think I'm set now to take kind of whatever weird movie I want to take for my last pick, so...

Jean-Pierre (48:24.056)
That's true. That's true. You definitely can. okay. Well, you're right. You're right. I mean, I mean, there, there, there are some animated movies I can think of that I would want to include, but I'm like, really, I'm trying to think of like, there's another, like,

Eli (48:28.739)
You don't have to take an animated one, but I guess, like, you should.

Jean-Pierre (48:48.448)
live action film that I want to throw in there because there are some really great live action and like we can only have so many right and there's definitely one there's definitely one that I would love to pick but it is technically against the ground rules that we set so I can't I can't well I'll have to wait for the honorable mentions for that so because because it is it is technically against the ground rules but

Eli (48:54.326)
Yeah, I have two more that I would want to pick so I'm gonna have to pick between those two no, well, what would it be? Okay, okay fair enough

Jean-Pierre (49:17.902)
I do think I want to do an animated movie and as well as easily as I could go to a Disney animated movie. There's one animated movie that is a musical, has musical numbers in it, that I feel really connected to more than pretty much any Disney movie that came out kind of during the era that we're sticking to.

Eli (49:27.014)
Mm-hmm. OK. man, I'm very curious.

Jean-Pierre (49:43.727)
uh... that i watched a lot as a kid and i think has some great songs from the ever talented elton john i think i need to go with dreamworks the road to eldorado two thousand i had to double check the date i had to double check the date year 2000 uh... huge nostalgia hit for me big childhood favorite

Eli (49:52.85)
Okay. Okay. I forgot about that. Yeah, okay.

Jean-Pierre (50:08.462)
I mean you got Jeff Goldblum, Kevin Klein playing the two main characters, playing off each other so well. There are, not only is there, I mean, there are musical numbers that they perform, but there's also the original musical moments that Elton John performs. So maybe, I don't know, maybe, it's a little bit on the fence and I think you could consider it a true musical, but I think that's my anime.

Eli (50:20.827)
Mm-hmm

Eli (50:34.101)
Sure, okay. I honestly, it's been, I've seen the movie for sure and I remember it. I can picture like the characters in my head, but I honestly couldn't tell you any of the songs.

Jean-Pierre (50:46.542)
There's a couple really great memes from it, like both, both is good. Classic meme.

Eli (50:52.05)
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't tell you like if there's enough songs or whatever I just I don't have that Well, there you go

Jean-Pierre (50:57.054)
it's like, it's good to be a god. That one or like, Friends Never Say Goodbye. I mean, this is how much I watched it as a kid. remember all the songs. Friends never say goodbye. It's a good one.

Eli (51:06.897)
Yeah Well, there you go The Road to El Dorado a classic Dreamworks animated movie and you know what I'm realizing now, you know what I'm realizing I made the wrong choice For animated I should have picked a different Dreamworks movie also that probably I like more than Probably more than Moana

Jean-Pierre (51:17.966)
Mm-hmm, beautifully animated too.

Jean-Pierre (51:25.346)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (51:29.23)
There's a couple Disney movies I could have thrown in there. But I do think our lists are very interesting. Because I feel like, and did you grow up watching musicals or not really?

Eli (51:35.823)
to right now.

Eli (51:43.454)
Not really. Like live action stuff? Not really. Disney, yes, but... Yeah, mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (51:44.771)
So I think it's interesting when you look at our list, when you look at our list, I think most of my picks are very like much more traditional musicals. And a lot of what you've picked are very like kind of newer, modernized versions of musicals. Because even though some of the picks I have are like modern versions of musicals that have been running for a long time, they're very traditionally.

Eli (51:58.616)
Modern. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Even enchanted, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (52:12.16)
like filmed and like they feel like a stage musical put on film. Whereas like, you know, things like La La Land or Tic Tic Boom or even like Enchanted are much more modernized and like their approach to the filmmaking, which I think that's very.

Eli (52:25.701)
They're very much more of the born out of the 21st century and your your list is like is okay. Let's in the 21st century see how we can like accomplish this classic on screen sort of thing. I don't I don't know when Sweeney Todd was written and went to stage, but it's not like that old but yeah

Jean-Pierre (52:30.584)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (52:41.654)
Yeah, like, like, like.

It definitely... No, it's definitely... It definitely was around before that film version came out.

Eli (52:55.557)
It's not as old as like Les Mis and Phantom. Well, Phantom of the Opera would have been in 90s. Now I think it's... Yeah. Let's see. But yeah, I definitely see that. Let's see. 86. So yeah, late 80s.

Jean-Pierre (52:58.802)
No, Family Opera is like at least the 80s. No, the 80s. I'm pretty sure it's the 80s. I think the original Broadway production was in the 80s.

Jean-Pierre (53:14.862)
The stage musical came out in 1979. you go. Sweeney Todd was Sweeney Todd premiered in 1979. Oh, it's Steven Sadeheim. I didn't even know that he did the lyrics. Steven Sadeheim and the booklet, the, the, was the thing for what size? The libretto was written by Hugh Wheeler.

Eli (53:26.276)
Okay, so it's even older than I thought it was. There you go. Steven Sondheim.

Eli (53:37.449)
libretto okay there you go hmm interesting okay I'm learning things

Jean-Pierre (53:43.983)
And apparently the character Sweeney Todd first appeared in a penny dreadful titled the string of pearls so What's also apparently based on a place? I don't know. It's like a whole there's like apparently a lot of layers for how this this This movie came about but yeah, so 1979 that's a way older than I was expecting

Eli (54:00.292)
Yeah. Cool. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to stick with my born out of the 21st century theme with this last one. This this last one, you know, do with it what you will.

Jean-Pierre (54:19.854)
This is literally going to be the reject modernity embrace tradition poll of 21st century musical.

Eli (54:28.052)
It is gonna be, it is. This is gonna be fun to see where people go with their voting. So, okay. I'm gonna pick another 2021 film by Leos Carricks called Annette starring Adam Driver and Marion Cot-

Marion Cotillard. Have you heard it? Have you even heard of this movie? Do you know of this movie? It is it is a musical I'm just gonna read the letterbox description because I'm not gonna do it justice if I try to explain this movie the story of Henry a stand-up comedian with a fierce sense of humor and and a singer of international renown in the spotlight they are the perfect couple

Jean-Pierre (54:56.814)
I don't think so.

Eli (55:20.559)
healthy, happy, and glamorous. The birth of their first child, Annette, a mysterious girl with an exceptional destiny, will change their lives. This is a really weird movie. Yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm, yes. It's a really weird movie. Adam Driver, not the best singer out there.

Jean-Pierre (55:32.846)
The poster looks insane. It's like the two of them dancing in like a wave. Okay.

Eli (55:47.812)
But he's fine for what the movie, the movie is just kind of like very strange and weird. Lios Kerix is a French-born director. His movies aren't necessarily like in French. He has like, this is an example of that. So he's a French-born director. So he's got the French kind of weird sentimentality going for him with this movie.

I don't think this is a huge spoiler. Because like it's it's like early on like you learn what is mysterious and weird about the daughter that they have that they that they bear. She's a puppet. They their baby is a puppet, so it's weird. And so it's you know.

Jean-Pierre (56:38.574)
Okay.

I was interested and now I'm intrigued.

Eli (56:45.177)
Now you're really interested. Adam Driver is doing his kind of like angry Adam Driver thing through the movie. Marianne Cotillard is really good. The song, here's the other thing that kind of probably led me to like this movie more was I saw the Edgar Wright documentary, The Sparks Brothers.

Jean-Pierre (57:10.52)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (57:11.179)
shortly before I saw this movie and they wrote the music for it and so like the songs are kind of like these strange weird Sparks Sparks the band the band called Sparks kind of style things but in a written in still like a very like musical form But yeah, it's it's a very strange movie

Jean-Pierre (57:16.014)
Mmm.

Jean-Pierre (57:31.628)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (57:40.11)
one of those that like you watch and you're like what in the world is going on and then also like Adam Driver's very angry and he can't sing good, but it's good enough for what this is and then also like Has a couple of moments that are actually like very touching and moving that are unexpected And so I really love a movie You know whether it's a musical or not that like

Jean-Pierre (57:52.94)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (58:00.868)
Mm.

Eli (58:07.983)
can unexpectedly kind of like sweep you away in the motion. And so I got all of that from this movie. And then I just like movies that are like weird and doing something different and strange because I watch a lot of movies and you end up seeing a lot of the same sorts of stuff. And it's not necessarily a bad thing, but when you do see a movie that's like, that's very different. Like I kind of like end up liking those more.

Jean-Pierre (58:09.826)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (58:20.099)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (58:32.664)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (58:36.983)
than a lot of people might just because they're so strange and different. yeah, Annette is my last pick and it's very much a 21st century musical movie. So there we go.

Jean-Pierre (58:41.44)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (58:47.15)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (58:51.318)
All right, there we go.

Eli (58:55.097)
Alright, the movie that I did not pick, that I love, is John Carney's movie Sing Street. Have you seen Sing Street?

Jean-Pierre (59:06.414)
I heard of it but I haven't eaten it.

Eli (59:10.117)
Love it. It's very like I Mean, it's a it's a kid who? meets a girl that's a little bit older and Tells her he's in a band. So then he has to start a band with his friends and they write music And the music they write they do like they record music videos with her and they perform at a school dance But there's like there to me

Jean-Pierre (59:34.019)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (59:38.466)
the songs that they're writing are like are kind of like in this the correct sensibility for a musical it's kind of like what he's going through with like trying to get the girl or like kind of like a regretting the decision you made that like you know it's all the songs are like born out of that sort of sensibility and then there are some like

Jean-Pierre (59:57.173)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:00:07.309)
There are some that are just like them shooting the music video or them, you know, performing it. But then there's also moments of like you're doing some cross cutting between them performing it at like on stage and like the girl and her like dealing with whatever she's dealing with with something else. And the music is speaking to both situations. And so like to me, it feels like. Yeah, it yeah, it's not like

Jean-Pierre (01:00:22.435)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:00:38.409)
traditional way you would think of a musical but to me it fits but you know my wife says no so

Jean-Pierre (01:00:47.148)
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of movies like, like, like, instance, like I was looking at the list on Wikipedia and it says, the Grinch who stole Christmas, says as a musical. I'm like, there's like the two, the Jim Carrey one, there's like one actual song in that movie, you know,

Eli (01:00:58.275)
Which one?

Eli (01:01:02.757)
No. No, Sing Street has like five or six original songs written for the movie.

Jean-Pierre (01:01:09.536)
Yeah, One movie that's on here that I thought about picking but I haven't actually seen it so then I kind of can't pick it. one musical of sorts that I've always wanted to see and it's still a blind spot for me is Eight Mile. Never got around to seeing Eight Mile.

Eli (01:01:17.765)
You

Eli (01:01:30.115)
Yeah, I don't know if that's a musical. I haven't seen it either though, so...

Jean-Pierre (01:01:33.613)
I mean, think it's actually more of a biopic than a musical, and we said no biopic. you know, because there's quite a few really, I guess we're kind of getting into honorable mentions here. I mean, you want to talk about another great animated honorable mention. Jonah, a Veggie Tales movie.

Eli (01:01:39.826)
Right,

Eli (01:01:45.869)
Yeah, honorable mentions.

Jean-Pierre (01:01:56.131)
little little little little thought for you the one that I definitely would have picked if we had said if we had not said no jukebox musicals another favorite one that I used to watch all the time when we were younger we had on DVD Moulin Rouge love that one love that one but it's it's technically a jukebox musical so it is it is because a lot of this most most of the songs they sing are not they're like

Eli (01:02:08.011)
Mm-hmm. Okay. Is it really? Okay. I haven't seen it.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:21.934)
There's like Elton John songs and like a bunch of other stuff like like, uh, you know Lady Marmalade Yeah, yeah, it's like Lady Marmalade is is not original, you know diamonds are forever diamonds are a girl's best friend Not original, you know, even like the we could be heroes just for one day. That's Elton John song So there's a lot of that kind of stuff in there

Eli (01:02:22.245)
Okay, yeah. So like across the universe, across the universe would be like a Beatles, Jeebob Music Room.

Okay.

Eli (01:02:38.361)
Gotcha. Okay.

Eli (01:02:43.14)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:48.63)
You know, think another one that I've seen more recently that I thought was really, funny is Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny.

Eli (01:02:56.812)
yeah, I forgot about that movie.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:59.298)
That one, I thought it was hilarious. Little crude, but I mean it is Jack Black, so.

Eli (01:03:03.907)
Yeah, I don't remember hardly anything about that, but I definitely watched that in high school for sure because I loved Tenacious D when I was in high school.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:09.176)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:14.798)
Yes, I'm just kind of going through the list here trying to see some other ones that stick out to me that I'm like, oh, people should definitely.

Eli (01:03:15.243)
I.

Eli (01:03:21.199)
So another one that I was either going to pick Annette, which I did, or this movie, but I didn't want to pick another Lin-Manuel Miranda because I already had Tic-Tac-Boom and Moana. But In the Heights is really good. It's not directed by, it's directed by John Chu, but it is a Lin-Manuel Miranda stage play. And it's very, very good if you haven't seen it.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:46.286)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:50.04)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:03:50.981)
Anthony Ramos is great.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:53.231)
If we're sticking to like kind of sticking with the 21st century, I will say I would say it's kind of in the same vein of like Sweeney Todd where it's kind of like got some horror aspects to it, but it's way weirder. It's a very weird movie, but I like

Eli (01:04:10.66)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:04:20.078)
If you like a rock opera repo the genetic opera Very weird movie. It's it's set in the near future and it's about this guy who is the repo man and by repo he He repossesses Organs from people who can't pay the company for their earth their organ replacements and

Eli (01:04:24.313)
Hmm. Never heard of it.

Eli (01:04:44.633)
Gotcha.

Jean-Pierre (01:04:47.786)
Yeah, it's a rock opera. It's a very weird movie. Paris Hilton's like in it. Like she plays like the daughter of the main of like the guy who like runs the corporation. There's some weird stuff in there. Sarah Brightman, who is the original Christine Dailly from from Phantom of the Opera. She's in it in kind of a smaller role as well as the girl from Spy Kids. She's she's like the daughter of the repo man in the movie.

Eli (01:04:57.536)
Yeah.

Eli (01:05:12.365)
Okay, yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:05:17.39)
There's a lot of singing in it that's not like the best but it's again it's just kind of like a weird like either like the vibe or you don't like the vibe. I'm not including this in the honorable mentions but I will say one movie on this list that I still have not gone around to watching and Mirna and I have talked about wanting to watch it together, Amelia Perez.

Eli (01:05:26.809)
Yeah.

Eli (01:05:41.174)
yeah, that is a musical.

Jean-Pierre (01:05:42.349)
I've seen nothing but the clips that have been out there and it is the biggest train wreck I have ever seen in my life. Especially because Myrna was talking about how like...

specifically Selena Gomez, like she's like speaking and singing in Spanish and she's like Yeah, like myself and like a lot of my friends like we've seen the clips of her singing we have no idea what she's saying because She doesn't pronounce anything correctly Because even though she's she's Hispanic. She she apparently didn't grow up speaking Spanish. So So

Eli (01:06:06.029)
no. that's terrible.

Right. Right.

Eli (01:06:16.759)
Yeah, it's

Jean-Pierre (01:06:17.794)
I want to include it on the list, but it is one that I'm intrigued to watch the entirety of to see if it is as bad as it seems to be.

Eli (01:06:25.262)
I'll say this.

Zoe Saldana still love her. She's I won't say she's great in the movie because just the material I just think is really bad. with what she has to work with, like all props to to Zoe Saldana, she's she's great, you know. But yeah, I yeah. We do. I mean, we can do.

My, so I think with Ready Player One we did a, what was the, we did a motion capture performances draft and I think we did a dishonorable mention also. So you can, I might have to put that as my dishonorable mention, but another one I watched recently that I just like, it did not work for me was I watched Chicago to,

Jean-Pierre (01:07:26.176)
Hmm.

Eli (01:07:26.725)
prep for this because I felt like I should watch the another one that's one best picture. I just it didn't I didn't go for it. Not really. I didn't like the story. The singing was I mean the singing is good. The filmmaking choices are fine. But I don't know it was kind of bland to me. It's like to me it's like the flashiness of like

Jean-Pierre (01:07:31.918)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (01:07:44.6)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:07:49.07)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:07:54.243)
the the colors and the costumes and like the kind of burlesque style like performances are like they to me they're just like I don't know frosting on the most bland thing you've ever put in your mouth the story wise John C Riley's scene is like is yeah it is I would agree but

Jean-Pierre (01:08:11.246)
Okay, but John C. Reilly performing Mr. Cellophane. That's the best thing in the whole movie.

Jean-Pierre (01:08:20.812)
It's been a long time since I've seen it, so I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on it when wearing the other.

Eli (01:08:25.614)
Yeah, I just didn't go for it. I had a hard time seeing why so many people really go for it. But yeah, I mean, it's got a 4.0 on Letterboxd, so it's probably a me problem, but it just did not work for me. So that would be my dishonorable mention along with Amelia Perez.

Jean-Pierre (01:08:42.136)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:08:49.134)
Okay, okay. I don't really know if I Yeah, I was gonna say I don't really know if I have a dishonorable mention because I don't think there's ever been a musical... I don't think I've ever watched a musical of the ones that I've seen and I'm like, I hated that. There's definitely a lot that I've never watched any of the Pitch Perfects.

Eli (01:08:52.59)
I do have a few more honorables if you want me to go through those.

Eli (01:08:59.174)
Have you seen Mamma Mia?

Jean-Pierre (01:09:15.06)
No, I don't. wouldn't like those movies. I know I wouldn't like the pitch perfect film. So I've never seen seen those. another honorable mention. Well, let me hear your honorable mentions before there's some more out there. We're just we're just getting.

Eli (01:09:21.562)
The first pitch perfect is fine. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun movie. Yeah, okay. Honorable mention, I didn't go for the new Wicked like a lot of people did, but it is still like, it is still like enjoyable with some great, really great vocal performances. And I think Ariana Grande is actually like really great in it. She was...

me the best part of the movie. I'll shout it out. what year? 2011 The Muppets. I have fond memories of that movie with Jason Segel and Amy Adams. Just you know I really like The Muppets and so I have fond memories of seeing that. And then my last one is the the animated movie that I thought of too late that I should have taken instead of Moana.

Jean-Pierre (01:10:02.307)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:10:07.054)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:10:20.934)
But I'll give my animated honorable mention here and that is the Prince of Egypt. How did we not take the Prince of Egypt? That's true. That's why I didn't take it. That's true. That's why that's why it was not on my radar. Well, I'm good. I'm good to go then. Okay.

Jean-Pierre (01:10:27.606)
Yeah, well, that's not a 21st century though. That's 1994. Because I almost thought about it, but I was like, no, that's the 90s. It doesn't count.

Jean-Pierre (01:10:43.062)
Yes. Otherwise, I definitely would have taken that as my animated film.

Eli (01:10:47.344)
Well, I'll do a different animated audible mention then, because I feel like I should do at least one. We already mentioned K-pop Demon Hunters. It's kind of like on the edge of like how much of a musical it is. But I think it is a musical, animated musical. my. Yeah, it would be between that and Tangled, I think. Are two great Tangled, I really love and then.

Jean-Pierre (01:11:04.536)
They've literally released a sing-along version in theaters, so...

Jean-Pierre (01:11:13.313)
okay.

Eli (01:11:17.124)
Yeah, K-Pop Demon Hunters. It's rea- you really should see it. It's really good. Yep. See, I don't think Coco is really a musical. There's like music-

Jean-Pierre (01:11:19.382)
I'd also say...

I want to check it out. would say think the two biggest more recent Disney musicals that we overlooked, Coco.

Jean-Pierre (01:11:38.542)
Okay, I haven't seen it in quite some time, so I know there's some music in it, but...

Eli (01:11:45.189)
Yeah, there's music in it, but it's not like... None of them are really about what's going on in the moment or anything. They're just performances of songs. Yeah, it's a great movie, I think. Really good.

Jean-Pierre (01:11:51.758)
That's fair.

Well.

The one that definitely is a musical and even though most of the music is kind of annoying, but I have to give it its props because the ending did make me cry actually. In Kanto.

Jean-Pierre (01:12:14.294)
Like the ending when Mirabelle finally gets recognized and for the person that she is, like that kind of thing always gets me like same thing with like Walter Mitty, right? Just makes me trip every time. So.

Eli (01:12:17.882)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (01:12:24.643)
Yeah, people are gonna get mad at us for not mentioning Frozen, so I'll at least like mention it. It's fine.

Jean-Pierre (01:12:29.966)
I've never watched it, I refuse.

So, kind of as we're kind of wrapping things up here, I do have question to kind of sum things up. Okay, what is one non-musical film that you think would work as a musical? And we can even say, what's a 21st century film that you think would work as a musical? Let's just stay on theme, let's stay on theme.

Eli (01:12:40.744)
Okay. Let's do it. okay. 21st century one. Okay. Okay, let's see.

I'm gonna go with... Okay, can we include 1999?

Eli (01:13:21.254)
How cool, how fun would it be if someone could pull off a musical of The Matrix? That would be pretty awesome, right? Okay, one would be called Mr. Anderson and it would be the Agent Smith leading that one. You know, you would have...

Jean-Pierre (01:13:27.468)
That'd be pretty sick. would give me three showtune titles from the Matrix the musical?

Jean-Pierre (01:13:41.71)
Okay, it's a Smith.

Jean-Pierre (01:13:49.218)
Mr. Anderson, you're a very naughty man, Mr. Anderson. Things are getting out of hand, Mr. Anderson.

Eli (01:13:56.583)
man, okay. Then you would have... Then you would have... Okay, that was the only one I had like out of pocket just off the top of my head the name of the song.

Jean-Pierre (01:14:00.483)
Now I want to write it.

Jean-Pierre (01:14:11.928)
think you'd have to call, I mean one song would have to be called There Is No Spoon.

Eli (01:14:15.851)
Yeah, okay. And then I think you'd have to have something with like a glitch. Like a glitch in the Matrix. There'd have to be some sort of song there. Or maybe there would definitely be a song like the Morpheus, the like classic Morpheus training Neo for the first time. I'm just not sure what the name of the song would be for that one. yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:14:40.526)
Okay.

Interesting. Okay. That can be fun. That can be fun. It's all right. It's all right. For the sake of the exercise, it's allowed.

Eli (01:14:45.857)
Yeah, that that would be really fun I kind of cheated a little bit but What was your did you have one?

Jean-Pierre (01:14:56.522)
I did, I think the first one that came to mind, and I don't know why, but I just think this would be really fun, is, I don't know, I just instantly thought of Inglourious Bastards. Like, like, I think, like, I don't know, I mean, you could do, you could do, you know.

Eli (01:15:07.111)
Okay, I can see it. Yeah.

Eli (01:15:18.118)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:15:18.87)
Red Carpet for Hitler could be one of the songs. don't know. don't know. like a scene like in West Side Story of all like the Jets together like singing together. But it's like Outer Rain and his guys talking about how we're going to put out a red carpet for Hitler, but he's going to die. You know what? I don't know.

Eli (01:15:29.403)
Yeah.

Eli (01:15:35.463)
Yeah, I think it would be I think you could just go like the reverse of Frozen and instead of let it go it'd be let it burn, know, let him let him burn let him burn

Jean-Pierre (01:15:48.111)
Yeah, there you go. There you go. I would say that'd be like the closing act opening song. I'm trying to think of what a good opening track would be. What's a song that you could have at the beginning? Like, of the state in your floorboards. Because this is the thing about musicals, a lot of times the songs are named after something that's said in the song.

Eli (01:15:54.334)
Yeah. Okay. go ahead, go ahead.

Eli (01:16:04.55)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:16:15.764)
So, so, who's in your floorboards? Yes. who is that in your floorboards? I hear them rustling underneath. Who is that in your floorboards?

Eli (01:16:15.972)
Yeah, I think it would be called Can I Have a Glass of Milk?

Eli (01:16:30.744)
Okay, here's another one. I have one song title for this one. This is actually a 21st century movie. Mad Max Fury Road. And there will be a Nicholas Holt song called What a Glorious Day. There we go, that's the one. I don't know if I'm filling that one.

Jean-Pierre (01:16:41.152)
Yes

Jean-Pierre (01:16:50.22)
Yes, I love it. I love it.

Dude, Oppenheimer in the musical?

Eli (01:17:00.57)
But definitely I'm feeling Nicholas Holden's nucks singing, what a glorious day. Yeah, that's what I'm feeling.

Jean-Pierre (01:17:01.068)
I think maybe maybe do in the musical.

Okay. Yeah, I'd down. I don't know. I think any movie could be a musical, but could it work as a musical? I don't know. But I think that'd be a fun... Yeah, that would be pretty sick. I think that's a good exercise for the listeners out there when they listen to this episode is, what would be a 21st century movie that you think could be turned into a musical?

Eli (01:17:16.729)
Mad Max, Furry Road. It could do it. Yeah, I'd like to see a Wes Anderson movie as a musical too. I don't know. I haven't heard that.

Jean-Pierre (01:17:38.09)
I thought I heard that he was doing one. Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm crazy. see here. I'm Google it real quick.

Eli (01:17:45.428)
I think the life aquatic would make a good one But it would yeah, I don't know

Jean-Pierre (01:17:56.373)
Yeah, maybe not. thought I heard a while back his next movie was going to be a musical, but...

I mean he's right there. I think he would kill a musical for sure. He'd be great.

Eli (01:18:03.659)
Yeah.

Eli (01:18:09.318)
Oh man, well that was fun. I should probably read our final results real quick before we close out. Our final results were JP ended with Le Miserable, Sweeney Todd the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, the 2004 The Phantom of the Opera, High School Musical, and The Road to El Dorado as his animated choice.

Jean-Pierre (01:18:15.277)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:18:38.854)
I ended up with La La Land, Tic Tic Boom, Enchanted, Moana as my animated choice, and Annette, a film that nobody has seen and will me no votes. So, yeah, I think we got some good lists going here. I think we have some big ones that people will be mad at us for like Wicked and The Greatest Showman, but you know.

We can take the heat. same, but people do love that one, so we'll definitely get some hate. We'll take it.

Jean-Pierre (01:19:08.747)
the greatest showman wasn't going on my list. I already said that, so.

Jean-Pierre (01:19:16.438)
Like, yeah, well, that's fine. I was impressed. In fact, you know what? You know what? You know what? I disliked that movie so much. I just remember this. If I had a dishonorable mention, it would be that.

Eli (01:19:32.604)
yes, there we go. We're gonna end on that. JP's Dishonorable... JP's Dishonorable Mention, the Greatest Showman, you heard it here.

Jean-Pierre (01:19:34.018)
That's how much I don't like that movie.

Jean-Pierre (01:19:40.93)
Mostly because P.T. Barnum was a terrible person in real life, so.

Eli (01:19:43.248)
Yeah, yeah, JPBudrow at gmail.com. That's not his actual email, so don't bombard that person with hate mail. All right, let's end with that. Next week, we will be jumping into the last Spielberg field, as of now, with the Feywomens. And yeah, looking forward to that. And if you haven't,

Jean-Pierre (01:19:50.638)
That's right, him the wrong one.

Eli (01:20:10.926)
listen to our conversation last week on West Side Story. Make sure you do that. And yeah, and also go back to the beginning of that episode to hear about what JP's been up to, projects he's working on and stuff. do that and yeah, follow him on Instagram and Letterboxd. I'll link those in the episode description. That's all we have for this week. I've been Eli Price for JP Boudreaux. You've been listening to The Establishing Shop. We will see you next time.