Director's Debut Feature Film Draft (w/ Haydn Fabre)

Eli (00:01.07)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmography's I am your host Eli Price and we are here on episode 116 of the podcast Yeah, we are last week. We finished up the last film of Spielberg so far hopefully gonna see another one from him next year, but Yeah, we did the little fabled ones last week

Next week we're going to be doing, wrapping up the Spielberg series with an epilogue episode. I'm going to reflect on the whole series, the whole long Spielberg series. So we're going to do that next week. But this week I thought it would be kind of, I guess a little bit ironic and fun to go back and do a sort of rerun of old movie draft.

As you may know, if you've been a listener for a while, movie drafts used to be contained in the same episode as the films we were covering and we don't do that anymore. way back on episode, I believe 17 of the show with when we covered following the first film of Christopher Nolan, we did a draft of debut feature films for directors. So their first feature film.

of a director. think our stipulations were that there had to be three or more films by that director, or more than three films by that director. So you might hear, you might be wondering where a few are. For instance, Jordan Peele only has three feature films, so Get Out was not an option for instance. But yeah, I'm gonna throw it to that episode. I thought it'd be fun to, at the end of this series, go

and talk about debut films because next week we're going to be going back to Spielberg's beginning and talking about his whole career reflecting on it. So that's what is in store for you. My guest for that episode was one of my good friends Hayden Fobb. We had a good time. So I hope you enjoy this draft.

And now we're gonna we're gonna move on to our movie draft because this is that's what the people want

Haydn Fabre (01:57:44.254)
Yeah, no, please don't.

Eli Price (01:58:00.966)
Is the movie draft. They want the draft. Yeah, I can't scream because I have like. A baby asleep a room over so.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:00.994)
People want the drafts! Sorry, neighbors.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:10.53)
You have children. I'm home alone and there's a young couple next door. They're definitely still awake as we're recording this at 10, 15 at night, so it's fine.

Eli Price (01:58:23.39)
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. No big deal. Yeah, movie draft. It's draft time. I'm ready. So here's what we're doing. Well, if this is your first time listening to a movie draft, here's how it works. We pick a category of some sort of movies to draft from, and we take turns picking films from that category to be on our

Haydn Fabre (01:58:26.431)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:30.946)
Draft time.

Eli Price (01:58:51.07)
uh film team if you will and uh yeah the goal is to build the best team so that when i put the poll on social media that i win because i just drafted the best team um yeah we'll see but yeah um this is uh okay so this is our third draft together so i think it's back to you picking first

Haydn Fabre (01:59:04.834)
Yeah

Naturally.

Eli Price (01:59:18.506)
You picked first the first time, I picked first the second time, now it's back to you. You get the first pick. Yeah. I do have a new sound whenever you're ready to make your pick. Just let me know.

Haydn Fabre (01:59:22.294)
I don't know... Now I'm... Now I'm nervous...

Haydn Fabre (01:59:35.671)
Alright.

I'm gonna use the same strategy that I always use in this draft, which is no strategy.

Eli Price (01:59:41.262)
All right, here we go. You ready?

Haydn Fabre (01:59:49.462)
With the first pick, I'm going to take what sat in the American moviegoer's minds as quite possibly the greatest film of all time until it was dethroned. It's one of the recent sight and sound news. I'm going to take Orson Welles' Citizen Kane.

Eli Price (02:00:04.69)
Yes, I mentioned it earlier. I was wondering if that was on your radar, but yeah, Citizen Gang. Great first pick.

Haydn Fabre (02:00:12.898)
I did not know that was a debut, which is just mind-boggling, but yeah, that's ridiculous.

Eli Price (02:00:16.062)
It's incredible. Yeah, it is mind-boggling that he's just like right out of the gate home run best film ever made I don't either yeah. Well, you can watch manc and find out It's very yeah, yeah david fincher it was okay

Haydn Fabre (02:00:22.802)
Yeah, I don't understand how that happens, but.

Haydn Fabre (02:00:29.81)
Oh yeah, you can watch. Was that Fincher? Was that, right? Yeah, you can watch. One of Fincher's lower tiers, but there's the story. Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:38.834)
Yeah, it was it was fine. You know, it wasn't yeah Uh, yeah, I mean great pick. I mean, I think that is probably Should be like The 101 for this category um Yeah, uh i'm going in man it's one of those things like

Haydn Fabre (02:00:54.771)
Yeah, I think it's a pretty safe bet.

Eli Price (02:01:05.582)
Man I always run into this problem of my favorite ones are maybe ones that aren't gonna win me the draft But I also still want to pick my favorite ones I'm gonna go I'm gonna follow suit and not pick a couple of my favorite ones and pick a more classic one and I'm gonna go with Cindy Lou Mays debut and 12 angry men

Haydn Fabre (02:01:13.836)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:01:33.538)
Have you ever seen 12 Air and New Men? It's a great movie. It's just good. It's one of those films.

Haydn Fabre (02:01:33.614)
12, I mean, I have not, that's one of the ones that I know, I need to see it. I know, that's one of the ones where I was like, I'm not gonna tell you that I haven't seen it and refuse to pick it because I haven't seen it, because then you just pick it as your last spot. And that would make me sad.

Eli Price (02:01:49.201)
I'm sorry.

Yeah Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, you don't want to reveal movies You haven't seen because that happened that happened actually the last week for the last draft JP Kind of let slip that he had only seen a one particular film from a director and I was like, oh, yeah I can save this one for last in the draft then Yeah Yeah, you never know what I'll be thinking when we're talking through movies

Haydn Fabre (02:01:57.323)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:11.306)
Oof, man, that's tough. That's tough.

Eli Price (02:02:21.398)
in the first segment, so watch out. Yeah, I forgot the sound for myself. I'm going to hit it post. I'm going to say it again.

Eli Price (02:02:32.566)
With the second pick, I'm choosing 12 Angry Men. Okay, that was pretty fun.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:38.035)
All 12 of them.

Eli Price (02:02:39.582)
Yeah, all 12 of the men, particularly Henry Fonda. I am Fonda Henry Fonda. That was. Yeah, like that. All right. You ready? You you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:02:43.339)
Great.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:47.086)
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Alright, sound me. Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:59.202)
With the third pick, I'm going to select a film that heavily inspired the film that we discussed today with Quentin Tarantino's debut masterpiece, Reservoir Dogs.

Eli Price (02:03:05.944)
too.

Eli Price (02:03:11.966)
Rhythm or dogs Man that's a good pick. Yeah, man. You're off to a strong start. I'm really you've got me kind of shaking in my boots to be honest

Haydn Fabre (02:03:15.906)
the dogs of the reservoir. I know.

Haydn Fabre (02:03:22.951)
I'm feeling good, but there's still like two or three more that I saw on my list that I was looking through that I had not seen that make me really nervous.

Eli Price (02:03:30.817)
Yeah.

Oh man. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:03:38.758)
Yeah, man, Reservoir Dogs is a good pick. It's actually I'm not like super high on Reservoir Dogs. I think it's good. But it's like it's probably my least favorite Tarantino, which I know other people like, it's like they love it. But.

Haydn Fabre (02:03:55.19)
Yeah. But it's kind of like a low tier Wes Anderson, you know. Still a four star, even though it's not personal favorite. My, the reason I love Reservoir Dogs is because if there's any nerds listening to this podcast, I have a deep appreciation and love for the classic Japanese manga and anime one piece. And Sanji is one of the characters that just kicks people the whole time. And he's based on Steve Buscemi's character.

Eli Price (02:04:03.646)
Right.

Eli Price (02:04:18.034)
Mm-hmm. Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:24.462)
Mr. Pink, I believe, is which one Steve Buscemi was from Reservoir Docs.

Eli Price (02:04:26.135)
Oh wow.

Yeah, the kicking is, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:30.966)
One piece. I don't know that he actually kicks anybody, but he wears a suit, smokes a cigarette the whole time. So that's good.

Eli Price (02:04:37.906)
Yeah, yeah. Song. Oh, who is it? Is it Song Ko and Memories of Murder? Bong Joon Ho's movie that's just like drop kicking people the whole movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:48.642)
Golly, the whole movie dude, they'd crop-kick so many people in that film. Like... In the Korean barbecue, just like taking people out. It's awesome.

Eli Price (02:04:54.651)
Oh man, yeah.

Eli Price (02:05:00.07)
Oh, for sure. Just taking people out. Yeah. OK. Oh, I should mention, I forgot to lay down one of the rules that we decided on. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, why? Why didn't you take Lady Bird by Greta Gerwig? Why didn't you take Get Out by Jordan Peele? And that's because we kind of decided arbitrarily that the director needed to have more than three films.

Haydn Fabre (02:05:10.422)
Oh yes, people are probably thinking, where's, where they?

Eli Price (02:05:29.066)
I don't know why. I guess like my reasoning behind that was just like, you need to be able to cause like the whole point of this is like, well, we're, we're talking about Christopher Nolan's, um, first film and how like it's influenced, you know, his career, like, and shown. Uh, but like, if like you're only through movies in, it's kind of like hard to see that sometimes. And like, I don't know, it's, it is very arbitrary, but I'll, I was like, well,

Let's kind of cut out some of the people to make this a little more interesting. Um, so yeah, there's, there's some that. Like there's some on my list that are like, that I absolutely love. Like after sun from last year by Charlotte Wells, I absolutely loved, but that's our only movie. So, uh, it's not on the board.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:16.463)
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Another couple of notable ones, Hereditary, Ari Aster was removed. The Witch, oh Robert Agra's that one hurt.

Eli Price (02:06:23.582)
Oh, yep. Yep. And the witch. Mm hmm. Yep. You know what? Other one, Synecdoche, New York, not draftable. Yeah. Kaufman has only directed. Yep, three Synecdoche, New York, Anomalisa, and I'm thinking of any things or is only three directorial efforts. Yeah. Yeah, I was looking at it like, man, no, it's the next game.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:32.842)
Really? Did Charlie Kaufman only made-

three films.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:43.147)
Wow.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:46.878)
Wow. How sad. Yeah. Well, that's one of the ones that I hadn't seen. So now it makes me happy that you can't drive.

Eli Price (02:06:55.486)
Yeah. Can't even draft it. Yep. Okay. So let's backtrack a little bit since we had to take that aside to clarify the rules. Yeah, Citizen Kane went first to Hayden, then I took 12 angry men, all 12 of them, and then Hayden took all of the Reservoir Dogs, every single one of them. So yeah, it's the fourth overall pick. My second pick.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:15.086)
problem.

dogs of the reservoir.

Eli Price (02:07:25.563)
Um...

Haydn Fabre (02:07:26.393)
The sound, don't forget the sound.

Eli Price (02:07:31.266)
The fourth overall pick of the Director's First Features draft, I'm selecting Michael Mann's Thief.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:43.254)
Wonderful pick that was on my list Great pick and just a great career Just a fun movie man

Eli Price (02:07:46.358)
Oof. Thief, man. Man. Thief. What a film, right? Like, I could watch those like closeups of someone like welding something for, like welding through a safe, like sparks flying. Like, give me more of that in the movie theater. You know what I mean? James Kahn just, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:54.81)
Oh yeah, it's got everything.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:06.089)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:10.402)
A rewatchable, a joy, oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:14.51)
James Kahn just like wreaking havoc up in those banks. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I wanna see. Man, it's a good movie. I actually watched that like, probably less than a year ago for the first time. I was like, man, what a great start to a career, thief.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:21.716)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:37.359)
Anyways, that was my pick. I have other ones that I like more, but yeah, I felt like that was a good get me back in the competition kind of pick. So yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:49.802)
Oh yeah, that's a great pick. That was definitely on my list for sure.

Eli Price (02:08:54.402)
All right, you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:08:56.672)
I think so.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:02.222)
With the fifth pick, I'm going to take a Frenchman's English film. I'm going to take Frant d'Erabance, The Shawshank Redemption.

Eli Price (02:09:09.323)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:09:14.186)
Ooh, the Shawshank Redemption. I didn't know that either. Man. I mean, that wasn't even on my list, because I didn't even realize that was an option.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:15.934)
I was not aware that it was a debut, but it filled me with joy whenever I saw that.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:31.566)
And then I was trying to count his films to make sure, cause I frankly have not, I'm not familiar with Frank Daraball, but yes, yes.

Eli Price (02:09:34.626)
Ha ha ha.

Yeah, Frank Maribon. Yep, I mean, the green mile is obviously like one. I've heard of the mist, I'm pretty sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:50.222)
I've seen it, it's really fun and it's really messed up. But I have not heard of Mob City, oh that was a TV show. I have not heard of The Majestic, which was his fourth.

Eli Price (02:09:52.638)
Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, Shawshank. Shawshank, man, that's a good pick. Man, how was this not on my list? Totally missed it. Just totally missed it. My research failed me. Man, yeah, gosh, I'm falling behind on this one. I'm not gonna even be able to pick my personal favorites.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:05.692)
Ugh.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:09.699)
Man.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:20.182)
How many are we going? Are we going?

Eli Price (02:10:23.294)
Let's just see how it goes, because I know your list is very limited. So we'll pick at least five each, I think. Let's see if we can get to seven. I like the seven number. I think that's a good. I don't know. I just like it. OK, man, how do I stay in this? I feel like I'm falling behind. I might just end up having to like pick my favorites and just like let it be what it is at this point.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:25.166)
Okay. Well, you know.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:30.862)
Okay, great.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:37.018)
as well like this.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:51.819)
have fun with it.

Eli Price (02:10:53.858)
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and go with... You know what? I'm gonna go with one of my favorite ones just to be safe, just in case you have this on the back burner. I'm going with Brad Bird's The Iron Giant.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:11.278)
Great pick.

Eli Price (02:11:13.23)
I love the Iron Giant. It's such a It's such a good movie man, and it gets me every time like do you that man Robot himself just like the Iron Giant the sacrificing himself like oh man So it's powerful Brad Bird, and he's had a good career man Ratatouille both Incredibles movies

Haydn Fabre (02:11:15.042)
Just a wonderful film.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:32.489)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:42.275)
Wow.

Eli Price (02:11:42.278)
Um, and then even growth ghost protocol, did you know he directed ghost protocol?

Haydn Fabre (02:11:47.17)
I did not know he directed Ghost Protocol. That's exciting.

Eli Price (02:11:49.342)
Yeah, Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol, Brad Bird, and Tomorrowland, but that was, I never saw it, but really bad reviews on Tomorrowland. Yeah, but yeah, The Iron Giant. I feel like if anything could get me back in the race, it's maybe The Iron Giant. But yeah, I love that movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:00.689)
I heard it wasn't the best.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:11.497)
Yeah, you'll strike some dads that have shown that movie and have fond memories with their kids.

Eli Price (02:12:16.302)
Hmm. All right.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:18.373)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:12:23.382)
Your pick is up.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:25.494)
With the seventh pick of the directorial debut film draft, I'm going to take Spike Jonze's first feature film in Being John Malkovich.

Eli Price (02:12:37.492)
Mm hmm. Great pick. Definitely high up. High up on my list, for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:41.286)
Absolutely adore. Big jump. Yeah. It's just a ton of fun. It's super unique. The film style is just so interesting. Spike Jones has had such a unique career. Um, just, he's just made some really fun stuff. He's got a comfy spot in my heart. Um, and being John Malkovich, uh, I actually hadn't seen it and it was recommended so highly by a friend.

Eli Price (02:12:56.062)
Yeah, for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:09.302)
that I purchased the Criterion copy before even seeing the film. And then firing it up, I remember finishing watching it with my wife. And I was like, holy crap, I can't believe movies like that exist. This is so fun. And she was like, that was weird. Why was it in New Jersey? Why were they in his head? Why were those scenes included? And I was like, don't worry about it.

Eli Price (02:13:11.697)
Ew.

Eli Price (02:13:22.498)
It was a wild movie. It was weird.

Eli Price (02:13:30.67)
The Malkovich scene. And if you've seen being John Malkovich, when I say the Malkovich scene, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Like what a wild sequence that is. Oh man, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:38.954)
Yes, yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:43.743)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:47.242)
And just, what's her name? My brain's, my mind, it's so gross. It's almost like fleshy. And what's a, Cameron Diaz man is just like, so fun. Like she's not playing on the like overly attractive character. She's like the one that is getting her man stolen. And that's just a fun dynamic there to see her in it. I just, yeah, big fan of being John Alkowich.

Eli Price (02:13:49.134)
The tunnel is really disgusting too. It grosses me out. Yes.

Eli Price (02:14:00.553)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:14:05.09)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:14:15.6)
Yeah, yeah, great pick. All right.

Eli Price (02:14:24.854)
With the eighth pick of the draft, I'm going with... This is Spinal Tap.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:31.692)
Oh yes.

Eli Price (02:14:33.134)
great movie dude i love it's so funny um yeah this is spinal tap directed by rob reiner went on to direct things such as when harry met sally stand by me the princess bride a few good men some good really good movies actually

Haydn Fabre (02:14:37.122)
So fun.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:56.214)
A hilarious start to an absolutely incredible run of movies.

Eli Price (02:15:00.762)
Yeah, this is Spinal Tap is one that like has a criterion disc, but it's like, it's not being printed anymore for some reason, which is really sad because I would love to have that.

Haydn Fabre (02:15:15.69)
Yeah. Well, I know that's a very important movie to you. I've heard you talk about it all the time.

Eli Price (02:15:20.094)
Yeah, well, it's like this is spinal tap if for those people who have not seen this movie it is a 1984 Machiavenere about this like hell hair metal group And they're on tour there The name of the band is the fictional band is this is spinal the name of the fictional band is spinal tap Yeah, it's a mockumentary and like

The genius of it is they create these scene scenarios and probably 80%, 90% of the dialogue is improvised. They come up with this concept for the scene and then the two leads just improvise all of these lines. And it's a mockumentary about this band and the drama in the band. It's really actually.

Absolutely hilarious and kind of like sparks the mockumentary style of like Film and TV really Like before the office was even like conceived of this was spinal tap was out there in the world Making people laugh Yeah, that's my that's my pick so you're up again

Haydn Fabre (02:16:41.553)
Right, let me make sure that this next pick that I want is.

Eli Price (02:16:44.69)
Uh oh. Did I hit the sound too early?

Haydn Fabre (02:16:47.514)
Hold on, let me, I just wanna make sure that I don't break any rules. Okay, I'm not gonna break the rules. Okay, great, we're good. Hit it one more time, intro me.

Eli Price (02:16:52.631)
Okay.

Should I hit it again? Let's go.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:03.51)
With the ninth pick and my fifth pick, I'm going to take Alex Garland's directorial debut in a film that I love very deeply, Ex Machina.

Eli Price (02:17:15.594)
Ex Machina. Does he have more than three?

Haydn Fabre (02:17:20.674)
He's got, no, he doesn't. He's not credited for one of them. I'm so sorry. Run it back, run it back, run it back. He's not credited for one. Fine, I'll take a Me Pick. You took a You Pick, I take a Me Pick. M-I-P, Me Pick is going to be a film that I picked in the last draft because I just love this film and I'm gonna just keep picking it as often as I can and I'm going to take Sam Raimi's The Evil Dead.

Eli Price (02:17:23.035)
Are you sure?

Eli Price (02:17:27.054)
Ah ha

Eli Price (02:17:48.486)
Evil dead actually you took Did you take evil dead last draft or was it army of darkness? Yeah, yeah

Haydn Fabre (02:17:49.67)
I loved the Evil Dead. Did it? Or did I take? I took Army of Darkness. I took the third one. So now I just need to draft Evil Dead 2 and then I'll have the whole trilogy in my draft.

Eli Price (02:17:59.546)
whole trilogy. Yeah, The Evil Dead. I still haven't seen those, so I need to get with it on those for sure. Yeah, as far as I know, great pick, but I haven't seen it, so can't really speak to it. But yeah, Alex Garland is not, I mean, he has Ex Machina, he has

Haydn Fabre (02:18:10.806)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:17.278)
Yeah, it's just, it's a film I love.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:25.206)
Annihilation and men from last year the rather disappointing men Yeah, but I

Eli Price (02:18:29.778)
Men, yeah, men from last year. That's three. He did direct devs of the mini series, but that doesn't count.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:37.042)
Yeah, he and they announced the film for him next year. And that was what threw me off is I saw that one announced for next year in the same list. And I was like, dang it. Just missed it. That's fine. Anyway, ex machina great film.

Eli Price (02:18:42.216)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (02:18:50.698)
Yeah men did not really uh men didn't really do it for me. I was disappointed because I absolutely love ex machina and annihilation but And devs is a great little mini series. Did you oh you need to see it nick offerman is one of the leads Um, and he's like really incredible in it. Um, very different role than parks and rec but yeah really good

Haydn Fabre (02:18:59.474)
And annihilation. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:03.734)
I've never seen devs.

Eli Price (02:19:18.614)
Highly recommend. It's not like a big commitment, because it's just like one miniseries, like one season, eight episodes or so, or maybe even less. So it's not a big commitment, and it's really like an intriguing sci-fi concept, I think. OK. Do you have enough to keep going?

Haydn Fabre (02:19:28.638)
Okay, sweet.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:38.894)
Great, so I have my five. I think so, I could go to seven. You wanna go to seven?

Eli Price (02:19:43.938)
Well, you have, yeah, you have five, I have four. Yeah, let's go to seven, let's do it. Okay, so I need to do my fifth pick. This is gonna be good because I need to really try to fit some good stuff in here.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:54.637)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:02.382)
We're halfway through, so.

Eli Price (02:20:07.155)
With the 10th pick, I'm going to go ahead and go with Blood Simple, the debut of the Coen Brothers. Is that on your list? Oh man.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:08.394)
Yes, number 10.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:20.25)
That was another one that I unfortunately haven't seen. That was the third one that I had considered that I haven't seen, yeah. Tell me about it, is it great?

Eli Price (02:20:26.314)
Man, yeah, great. Great neo-noir. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's like you watch it and you're like, yeah, the Coen brothers, they're there. They're they're, you know. Let's let's watch more of these, you know, it's not like my favorite Coen brothers movie by any means, but it's like a really, really solid neo-noir film.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:38.903)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:20:55.85)
You know, and I feel like Nolan's following is very noir, but like, even though he's like playing with the narrative structure, you know, like we talked about, it still feels kind of throwback. It kind of has that like more throwback classic feel, whereas like this is very much like neo-noir, like it's a noir, but it's like, they're doing something new with it. You know, it's very like modern.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:22.572)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:26.526)
Yeah, another 1984 pick man Got spinal. This is spinal tap and blood simple both in the same year That's that's saying something, you know No, yeah It really was 1984 Really actually was a really great movie year Yeah All right, you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:21:30.53)
I know.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:37.309)
What a year for movies.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:44.766)
Yeah, really incredible movie. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:50.926)
I think so.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:55.522)
With the 11th pick, I'm going to take...

A movie that I've seen many times, a movie that I grew up watching, a movie that I love. I'm going to take fast times at Ridgemont.

Eli Price (02:22:08.314)
Okay, I've actually never seen fast times

Haydn Fabre (02:22:10.114)
Bit of a curveball there. I love fast times. It just makes me happy.

Eli Price (02:22:16.639)
Who's the director?

Haydn Fabre (02:22:18.498)
I don't actually know off the top of my head which makes me upset. It was like a movie I watched on TV all the time.

Eli Price (02:22:24.146)
Oh man. Don't you love it when that happens?

Haydn Fabre (02:22:26.166)
Um, I know it's really sad.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:32.27)
directed by, drum roll, directed by Amy Heckerling.

Eli Price (02:22:36.403)
Oh wait, I have it.

I missed it.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:40.261)
Oh.

Directed by Amy Heckerling, who would go on to direct a couple of random films and then knock it out the park in 1995 with Clueless. But Fast Time's It Ridged My Eye, just a really fun movie. Spicoli.

Eli Price (02:22:53.115)
Nice. Yeah.

Yeah For great things just haven't seen it. Yeah Okay, I am back up wait, where are we we're at six Man I've got so I've got two more picks And I'm not gonna be able to get in all the really good movies I made like a way too long list for this draft

Haydn Fabre (02:23:00.426)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:09.198)
We're at six, yes. So this will be pick 12.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:21.262)
That's why I usually go like one or two under double the picking list. That's usually my goal. So I don't get overwhelmed.

Eli Price (02:23:27.262)
Yeah, yeah, I'm like totally overwhelmed. I'm gonna go ahead and take this one that I feel like you probably haven't seen and maybe a lot of people haven't seen, but this is gonna be my main like, I'm picking this so that hopefully people will like see it for the first time and then go watch it. And that is Rian Johnson's Brick.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:56.718)
Brick. Yeah, play your music.

Eli Price (02:23:57.274)
Oh wait, hold on, back it up.

With the 12th pick, I'm going with Ryan Johnson's debut film, Brick. Which I'm pretty sure I just said like film instead of film. That was weird. Brick is so good. It's, have you seen it? Oh man. You've got, you've got like Little Boy, JGL, Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:14.744)
bric-fiong

Haydn Fabre (02:24:21.514)
I have not seen Rick, unfortunately.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:30.497)
I do love Young JGO.

Eli Price (02:24:31.326)
like just delivering the most like bizarre like run of dialogues you've ever heard a teenager spout out in a high school. This is okay so here's what Brick is. Take a pretty violent noir film and mix it with like a high school coming of age film.

and meld those two together, and the strange movie that you have in your head, it's that but done to the greatest degree. It's a great movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:09.154)
That's awesome. That's so fun.

Eli Price (02:25:10.186)
Yeah, you need to go watch it for like, move it up the list. It's worth rent, it's worth renting. It's not streaming anywhere right now, but it's worth renting for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:12.826)
I will. I need to see it. Okay, great.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:21.538)
got blood simple and brick cued up.

Eli Price (02:25:24.994)
Brick is good. So, Ryan Johnson obviously went on to direct the likes of Looper, Star Wars, The Last Jedi, the two Knives Out movies with Daniel Craig. Yeah, he's had a good career and is apparently going to just keep going. Yeah, but Brick is actually my favorite Ryan Johnson movie still, like, to this day.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:44.186)
3

Eli Price (02:25:53.502)
Out of all these great movies, I like Brooke the most. I think he started off probably too hot, in my opinion.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:01.998)
Well, I've got a really funny curveball of a seventh pick that might cost me.

Eli Price (02:26:06.582)
All right, let's do this.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:12.01)
With the, god I'm over it, 13th pick of the directorial debut draft, I'm gonna come at you with a curveball. I'm gonna come at you with a movie that was probably nowhere near your list, not even a hint of it. But I'm going to take the legendary Tyler Perry's first directorial debut with Madea's family reunion. By rain, Madea is on the list.

Eli Price (02:26:15.406)
Hehehe

Haydn Fabre (02:26:39.886)
Probably the only time Medea will make it to a draft list. But Medea's family reunion.

Eli Price (02:26:44.358)
Oh man.

I've never seen any Madea movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:47.798)
is my final pick. Boom! Tyler Perry.

Eli Price (02:26:52.034)
That might win you the draft. That might be like the pig that like, that wins you the draft right there. Like all the Medea hive is coming out to vote.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:58.594)
I'm trying to get me a curveball in here.

Yes, if you're if you're a part of the media I was trying to find a fun name for like the media the media if you're the media family You can come to the medias family reunion with me and my draft pick

Eli Price (02:27:10.291)
them a...

Yeah. I love it. I've never seen any Madea movie ever, but my cousin is in the Christmas one. My cousin is an extra. He's an extra. I mean, I don't even know if you see him, but he's in there. Shout out to Foster, extra in the Madea Christmas movie. They shot it in, part of it in McDonough, Georgia.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:25.026)
They're really not that good. Oh.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:33.774)
Let's get with.

Eli Price (02:27:44.562)
which is where the area that I'm from originally. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:45.375)
Wow

Haydn Fabre (02:27:49.85)
Fun fact just as I'm scrolling through this Wikipedia page Tyler Perry is the fourth highest listed name in Gone Girl, which is He's the fourth build name and Gone Girl. That's I'm just scrolling through now

Eli Price (02:27:59.03)
Oh yeah, I forgot he's in that. Yeah. He played a pretty significant role in that movie from what I remember. It's been a while.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:08.366)
Yeah, was he like the FBI or something? I don't know. People are gonna be mad at me for not remembering that movie. Yeah. Alla Faire.

Eli Price (02:28:11.79)
I don't remember, it's been a long time.

Man so here's where like I'm really like man where I go because

I don't know. There's some really good movies still out there. We'll do honorable mentions to throw in all these other great movies. There's one movie that I feel like probably should be picked. That's not as high as others on my list. Man. Oh, man, this is really hard. OK, I'm going between two picks one movie I like more than the other.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:33.742)
I love that.

Eli Price (02:28:55.042)
but the other might be a more recognizable director. So I'll do this. I'll go ahead and draft my favorite of the two, since I've already lost this draft, I think. And we'll just talk about honorable mentions later. I'm going to go with Terrence Malick's Badlands. Terrence Malick is one of my favorite directors.

just makes these incredibly poetic films. But yeah, Badlands is, it's an interesting movie. It stars Martin Sheen as this, he's kind of like, it's basically like a bit of a Bonnie and Clyde-ish kind of movie, but they're like younger. It's Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek.

uh, kind of like on this like road trip after there's a, someone has killed, um, kind of like trying to escape the law sort of thing. Um, and they're on this road trip and, uh, it's really like, so like Malik is just like, obviously known for his like just beautiful visuals. Um, and it's this like really like strange dark

like weird store like character kind of study But with the background of this like beautiful like wide open like Midwest landscape That's like and just incredibly beautiful. And so it's um, I don't know It's not my favorite malloc but Just like a really fantastic first like debut feature film

Um, and like sort of like others that we've talked about through this draft, just like kind of shows, um, I don't know, like tinges of what the rest of their career will kind of look like as far as like the movie types of movies they make. So yeah, mad lands by Terrence Malick. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:09.386)
Yeah, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but any Terrence Malik pick is a good pick. So yeah.

Eli Price (02:31:15.678)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's what I was talking about last week with JP. He kind of let loose that he had only seen one Malick film. And so I ended up with being able to snag The Tree of Life, which is one of my favorite films ever made. So yeah, with the last pick of the draft. Oh, man, it was glorious. Yeah, Badlands is a great movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:26.078)
Oh no.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:33.035)
ever made.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:39.166)
Wow, that's so sad.

Eli Price (02:31:45.242)
I wouldn't move it up as high as brick in your watch list, but you should put it up there. I probably like it more than, or about the same as Blood Simple right there with it. Yeah. Did you have any honorable mentions at all whatsoever?

Haydn Fabre (02:32:01.33)
I have a handful of honorable mentions that yes.

Eli Price (02:32:04.874)
Yeah, lay them on me and then I'll throw all mine out.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:09.186)
I'll also mention some of the ones that I really wanted to pick, but they just didn't direct enough things. Napoleon Dynamite, really unfortunate. Jared Hess only has three movies. Couldn't snag a Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah. The Blair Witch Project was a one and done film for the duo that directed Blair Witch Project, which I really love. Another I love horror movies, so there's a handful of horror movies on.

Eli Price (02:32:14.035)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:19.62)
Oh, really?

Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:27.554)
Man, such a good movie.

Eli Price (02:32:36.354)
Jared has more than three.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:39.766)
Does he? Oh.

Eli Price (02:32:40.79)
Yeah.

He has four. At least five. Yeah. You told the kid because I had Napoleon Dynamite, I was I was thinking about it at one point, but I didn't go with it. I drafted it, I'm pretty sure in a. Comedy draft, so I was like, I don't want to draft that again.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:44.49)
Oopsies. Oh, great. Oh wow, I was, okay great, I was wrong.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:56.834)
Hmm. Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:33:04.766)
Yeah, yeah. Adam McKay's directorial debut, Anchorman, The Legend of Ron Burgundy, was another that was on my list. Just a beautiful.

Eli Price (02:33:08.651)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:33:13.726)
Yeah, that's I also drafted that in that same combination Yeah, yeah

Haydn Fabre (02:33:17.874)
Yeah. So you were checking it off on the comedy's draft. Another horror film, James Wan, the popular horror director. He's done a handful of different things. I was for he did the Conjuring, all the Conjuring universes and stuff like that. He most recently did, I think, Malignant was James Wan. But he opens up with The Banger of Saw, just a classic all time horror film. Monsters Inc.

Eli Price (02:33:33.732)
Oh, OK, yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:33:42.414)
That's right. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:33:47.022)
I don't actually know who directed Monsters Inc. I don't have that on the top of my head or in my notes, but he would go on to direct a handful of the Disney Pixar films, Monsters Inc. being the first.

Eli Price (02:33:55.73)
Yeah, I'm pulling it up on the old letterbox machine. Oh, it's Pete doctor Pete doctor. I love I love every Pete doctor Pixar movie. Yeah I don't know that I would have picked monsters ink, but it probably would have helped my I would have helped my uh Draft yeah Yeah for sure. Maybe the iron giant will get enough people from the animated side

Haydn Fabre (02:34:02.369)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:34:13.138)
Yeah, you might have snagged some people. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:34:21.174)
Yeah. Legally Blonde, another debut. I thought about that one, snagging it for the... Yeah, I thought about snagging it for the female audience, you know, let them feel seen that we're not just a bunch of bro cinephiles. And then lastly, just one of the greatest films of all time directed by Conrad Vernon, who would go on to direct Monsters vs. Aliens, Madagascar 3, and Penguins of Madagascar.

Eli Price (02:34:25.914)
Oh yeah. We watched that. I watched that the other day with my wife. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:34:33.69)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:34:49.674)
Hehehe

Haydn Fabre (02:34:50.806)
directorial debuts out with the banger that is Shrek 2, the best Shrek film. So those are some honorable mentions that I had. A lot of them were like a bit too goofy and I decided to go the Madea route. But what are some that you had? What are some that you would like to mention?

Eli Price (02:34:55.31)
track too.

Eli Price (02:35:08.414)
Yeah, so you started with ones that didn't qualify. I'll do a few of those. I mentioned After Sun, Charlotte Wells' debut. Oh, I just bumped the mess out of my mic. My bad. Another that is also like a single movie, 2019 Sound of Metal by Darius Marder. I loved that film. Yeah. The Last Black Man in San Francisco, Joe Talbot.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:19.338)
Yeah. BOOM

Haydn Fabre (02:35:29.482)
Oh yeah, incredible. Just a great film, yeah.

Eli Price (02:35:39.11)
2019 film I'm pretty sure he that's his only feature Columbus by Koganata he came out with after yang was that last year or two years ago Yeah after yang was a great movie but Columbus was an incredible movie, too Yeah, those none of those qualified. Oh nightcrawler did not qualify

Haydn Fabre (02:35:53.807)
Yes, two years ago.

Haydn Fabre (02:36:06.806)
Oh yes, that was another one that I had looked at. Dang.

Eli Price (02:36:08.474)
He only has the three. Yeah, great. Great opening film. But yeah, so honorable mentions that would have qualified that I didn't obviously bottle rocket. We just spent a whole series on Wes Anderson. Love bottle rocket, but I just figured well, we just spent a whole series on him. I'll get some other stuff out there. Darren off Aronofsky's pie is It's

Haydn Fabre (02:36:35.598)
I haven't seen it. I've heard great things.

Eli Price (02:36:38.314)
Yeah, so it actually, I think it came out the same year as Following. And also like very much a low budget black and white film, but like super weird and strange and to me just like a far superior movie to Following, to be honest. Like it's just like, it's weird. It's a weird, weird movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:37:00.727)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:37:08.042)
But like really interesting. Yeah. Night of the Living Dead was one that I was really thinking about going with. George A. Romero. Nom for, you know, obviously Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, all the zombies. But Night of the Living Dead is actually a really, really good.

Haydn Fabre (02:37:23.67)
Yeah. I thought about that one as well. I wasn't totally familiar with the rest of his work. I just didn't feel right.

Eli Price (02:37:31.386)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way. That's the only movie I've seen by him, but it's really an incredible movie Yeah, we mentioned get out Sweetie Jane Campion is a really good movie debut Most people probably either know her from the piano or power of the dog which came out a few years ago But sweetie is a really good movie Looping the third

Haydn Fabre (02:37:47.299)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:38:00.226)
The Castle of Cagliostro, which was Heao Miyazaki's debut feature animated film, which I really like. I think it's a fun movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:07.639)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:11.626)
I had Tales from the Earthsea, his son's directorial debut. I had that one on my list, but I don't think that he has enough films to qualify.

Eli Price (02:38:16.509)
Okay, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good. J.J. Abrams opened up with Mission Impossible 3, which is I really like Mission Impossible 3. Oh, Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I did not take it. It's it's got the yeah, it's but some people might think that's a misstep, but it's also weird because it's got the double directors going on. Kind of hard to I don't know.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:28.022)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:32.622)
Oh yeah, that one was on my list.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:48.811)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:38:49.423)
Yeah. Wong Kar-Wise, As Tears Go By is a really good movie as a debut. How about this, the 40-year-old virgin, Judd Apatow, swinging onto the scene with Steve Carell. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:00.092)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:04.606)
Just the king of comedy right there that man.

Eli Price (02:39:07.938)
Absolutely. Oh, I forgot to mention one that did not qualify, which was paranormal activity, which I really like.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:18.602)
Yeah, I love the parallel activities.

Eli Price (02:39:21.254)
Um, yeah, uh, I wish that Bong Joon-ho's director debut was memories of murder, but it was in fact barking dogs never bite, which is not anywhere near as good as memories of murder. Um, yeah, I've seen it. It's, it's fine. I guess, um, you can throw.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:33.304)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:38.302)
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one at all, but that was one I looked at.

Eli Price (02:39:48.026)
Way back to the likes of Charlie Chaplin with the Kid and Buster Keaton with Three Ages. Both okay movies to start off their incredible careers. Jean-Luc Godard's Breathless, which is a beloved film among cinephiles, movie, really serious movie lovers. I watched it not-

Haydn Fabre (02:40:00.044)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:40:16.286)
that long ago. I thought it was really good, but not my favorite. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:19.542)
Yeah, I'm not very familiar with it, so I noted it, but.

Eli Price (02:40:24.414)
I also had George Miller's Mad Max on my list, but I'm not huge on the first Mad Max.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:32.406)
Neither am I. I had it there as well, but... Eh. Sorry, old heads.

Eli Price (02:40:36.246)
Anyways, and then the other one, I've left this one for last, it was the other one that I was thinking of taking over Badlands, and that's, of course, David Lynch's Eraserhead.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:49.482)
Yes, that was the one that I thought you were talking about in the beginning, where you said you were gonna say it till the end.

Eli Price (02:40:53.698)
Gotcha. Yeah, I like I think Eraserhead is a really good movie, but um It's yeah, it's not my favorite It's super Have you seen it?

Haydn Fabre (02:41:05.28)
It takes a special... I have not seen it, but I've heard all of the warnings.

Eli Price (02:41:08.802)
Oh man, it's like. It's like a movie that is. It makes you feel so uncomfortable, like I was like I was like squirming in my seat the whole movie. Oh, yeah. Not not a super rewatchable movie, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, that's.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:23.427)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:27.99)
Yeah. Ugh. Yeah, no.

Eli Price (02:41:36.962)
directorial debuts. Yeah, I think there's a lot of good. And there's obviously a lot that we didn't mention. Those are just ones that I've seen.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:45.066)
Yeah, I'm just reading through other ones that I'm seeing that, yeah, there's a lot of people open out with really, really good stuff. I mean, it looks like The Lion King was a directorial debut. There's some really good ones in here. 10 Things I Hate About You, could have scooped up the young woman category there.

Eli Price (02:41:57.462)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:03.422)
Yeah, I didn't...

That's true.

Eli Price (02:42:10.286)
That's true. Yeah. I don't think Lion King would have would have qualified. Because it's got. Yeah. Just unfortunate, because obviously Lion King is great. Yeah, that's a that's a movie draft. Let's I'm going to read them back so that we can finalize this. Hayden took.

Haydn Fabre (02:42:11.286)
I do love 10 Things I Hate About You, though, secretly.

I wouldn't have, I just, why I said it.

Eli Price (02:42:37.854)
Citizen Kane, Reservoir Dogs, The Shawshank Redemption, Being with John Malkovich, The Evil Dead, Fast Tallyings at Ridgemont High, and Medea's Family Reunion.

Haydn Fabre (02:42:49.622)
Madeeaaah!

Eli Price (02:42:51.626)
Um, man, I really feel like I feel like I lost this draft after your third pick, your third pick. Um, anyways, uh,

Haydn Fabre (02:43:00.964)
I do have a stacked top three. This top three is.

Eli Price (02:43:03.63)
Oh man. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, I lost this one. Which is fine, because I still like my list. Which my list is as follows. 12 Angry Men, Thief, The Iron Giant, This Is Spinal Tap, Blood Simple, Brick, and Badlands.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:14.038)
Hold on to hope.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:30.382)
Great drafts though, all around.

Eli Price (02:43:32.726)
That's all around. Good job, everyone. But yeah, if you think we left some out that you feel like is blasphemous to not have in this draft, just reach out and let us know.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:49.135)
I know there's going to be some comments about us missing Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius. It was number 15. It was number 15, I promise.

Eli Price (02:43:54.63)
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. The Rugrats movie, which, you know, I have like I have an itching suspicion that that's like both a debut and the end.

Who knows? I don't know. Yeah, that's our movie draft. 

Eli (02:20.896)
Well, thank you for listening to that movie draft. We had some great selections, think. Hayden even pulled out a few that I remember that weren't even on my list just because I didn't do good enough research on some debut films. But yeah, there were some really good lists, some good honorable mentions too. So I hope you enjoyed that movie draft. You know, let us know if...

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