Motion Capture Performances Movie Draft (w/ Andrew Fossier)

Eli (00:02.408)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives and two directors and their filmographies I am your host Eli Price and we are here on episode 110 of the podcast Yeah, I'm excited to have Andrew Fosier back on with me from last week We talked about ready player one last week had a good time doing that talked for a long time I looked at the timer and I was like, wow

We're still going. But it was, it was really good conversation. Really enjoyed that. So yeah, go back and listen to that. And also go back and listen to that because we talk a lot about motion capture and that, and what we're going to do today in honor of ready player one, but also the BFG and adventures of 10 10, we're going to do a motion capture performances movie draft. So we're going to be basically taking

Andrew Fossier (00:32.162)
He

Andrew Fossier (00:35.874)
Yeah, definitely.

Eli (01:01.076)
Turns drafting the best in our opinions motion capture performances. So yeah, Andrew, good to have you back. Thanks for coming on again. Andrew shared last week some movies he's been watching. So you can go listen to that or you can also go back to the Twilight Zone episode.

Andrew Fossier (01:16.398)
Happy to be here.

Eli (01:29.844)
and hear his Spielberg, you know, introduction and all that. And you've been on other, you've been on, you were on the Christmas movie draft episode and you were on the tenant episode. And so yeah, we've done some, we've had quite a little number of handful of episodes together now. So yeah, but, but today we're doing a movie draft motion capture performances. I thought right before we kick off the draft, I would,

Andrew Fossier (01:42.456)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:59.358)
posed the question, what makes a motion performance great? Motion capture performance great. Did you have any thoughts on that? Is that something you've even thought about? Because if you haven't, I wouldn't blame you.

Andrew Fossier (02:12.371)
no, yeah, well, I think.

I think the thing that I would say is probably just the integration with the story and like the mocap happening for the character and they're representing the character versus

Eli (02:35.729)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (02:41.75)
It looks cool, I guess. I don't know. I think that's probably the main thing. And for this draft, the one I thought about the most was trying to make, because every Avengers movie is on here, every Marvel movie is on here, trying to make it where it's like, think of that as a mocap movie. Like I can see the actor in the mocap suit doing mocap. It's not just, yeah.

Eli (02:43.646)
Sure, yeah, yeah.

Eli (03:11.218)
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, I was going to say like, think, I think one of the things that stands out in motion capture performances are twofold. Like one is like the physical performance you get. So, you know, you get these digitally rendered characters, but like the physicality of emotion capture performance is so huge because you, get a lot of personality of the actor in those.

in the physicality of the characters. And you get also like, you know, the personality, the realness, the kind of human, humanness of the character. Even when, you know, I'm not gonna name anything specific, because we're about to be drafting these against each other, but like, even say when it's not a human character, you can still get like humanity built into that character.

Andrew Fossier (03:44.174)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (04:00.878)
Hehe.

Eli (04:09.544)
because of the physicality of the actor being captured in motion capture. And then the other aspect that I think is big is the facial expressions. One of the things that I've learned covering these three Spielberg movies that have mocap is that they do a lot of work kind of nailing down their facial expressions because you kind of have to, it's almost like more stage play.

in the way they have to act with their face than film. Because a lot of times in film you're getting close-ups, you can pick up like, you know, little minor facial expressions that say a lot in film. Whereas like on the stage, everything's big. You have to act big physically. Your facial expressions are like overdone and over the top because you're on a stage.

far away from people that have to see you what you're doing and get the emotions across that divide. And it's a little similar with motion capture performances. have to over express a little more than you normally would if your face was being filmed so that emotion that you're trying to express comes through in the digital character. So those were the two things I was thinking about when I was thinking what

Andrew Fossier (05:26.722)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (05:36.852)
What does it take to make a good motion capture performance? Yeah, we're gonna jump into this thing. I did some research earlier when we had hopped on and Andrew has had two times picking first in drafts we did against each other. And so I'm taking the liberty to take first pick in this one.

Andrew Fossier (05:41.772)
Yeah, that's good.

Andrew Fossier (06:00.088)
Hahaha.

Eli (06:06.708)
So yeah, I'm just gonna jump right into it and take the the obvious first pick Andy circus as Gollum And I guess I'll take him in the two towers. It really doesn't really matter He's great in all of them. I think he has the most screen time in the two towers So I'll go with that one. Yeah and you have there's a the two towers has a lot of like the

Andrew Fossier (06:26.824)
Mm. Yeah, sounds right.

Eli (06:34.77)
the two sides kind of talking back and forth to each other thing going on. which is fun to watch Andy Serkis do. but yeah, obvious choice. You know, he should, you know, he should have got an Oscar for this performance. Honestly. yeah. And Serkis is the king of motion capture. So the motion capture ambassador maybe. So

Andrew Fossier (06:43.17)
Yeah.

Eli (07:03.41)
You know, he should be picked first in this track.

Andrew Fossier (07:08.674)
well, I'm, I'm also going Andy for my first pick. So, I had a hard time deciding. I, if I'm being honest, I can't, I can't tell you why I'm picking this one. I like it the most I think is why,

Eli (07:13.886)
Great.

Eli (07:24.948)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (07:28.392)
more so than the most recent. But I'm going to go with War for the Planet of the Apes.

Eli (07:34.548)
Okay, great. So yeah, so okay, so you're going specifically his performance in that one. Do you want to expound on why that or are you saying like you're not even sure exactly why?

Andrew Fossier (07:41.794)
Yes.

Andrew Fossier (07:46.05)
Well, no, yeah, that's where I got a little muddy on this is like, like that movie more than the other ones. But that is very much a film, my justification for saying, it's the mocap one, the thing I think about there is like, can see him doing it, if that makes sense. Like, I know it's Caesar, you know, but.

Eli (07:52.424)
That's fair. That's fair. Yeah.

Eli (08:10.374)
Right, right. Wait, wait, are you taking, you're taking him in which one?

Andrew Fossier (08:17.784)
Sorry, War for the Planet of the Apes. Is that?

Eli (08:19.324)
Okay, for some reason when I was typing it, I started typing kingdom of the planet of the apes. And yeah, I was like, that's not right, he's not in that one.

Andrew Fossier (08:23.881)
no, no,

Andrew Fossier (08:28.492)
No, yes, war. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes was... I don't know, we don't have get into it. It was okay. It wasn't war.

Eli (08:33.716)
I enjoyed it, but yeah, yeah. No, no, for sure. Yeah. Um, yeah, I really enjoyed war for the planet of the apes. Dawn is really good and rise was really good too. Obviously he's Caesar in all three of those. So you could have really, once you take them in one, you've taken them in all of them, but we have to pick one. So yeah, he's phenomenal. It's, it's phenomenal. Um,

Andrew Fossier (08:56.418)
Yeah.

Eli (09:03.496)
Honestly, and I'm glad you did that because circus deserves to be the first two picks. Let's be honest. He deserves it Okay And I'll have like more circus on my list, I'm not sure if I'll take any more but he's he's he's got quite a few But yeah my second pick I'm gonna go with Zoe Saldana as Nateri and avatar I think she's the

Andrew Fossier (09:08.611)
You

Andrew Fossier (09:32.686)
Good pick.

Eli (09:33.448)
I think she's the best part of that movie. She's the only interesting character really. That's not like a flat character, you know? Yeah. She's really great in it, really interesting, and it's a great performance. There's a lot of powerful emotion expressed in that character, I think.

Andrew Fossier (10:01.71)
Yeah. So for my second pick, this is explicitly for the mocap performance because I didn't personally love this representation of the media. But the I'm to go with the Hobbit, the Desolation of Smog for Benedict Cumberbatch because that maybe should have been my first. I don't know. I wanted Andy first because I like I like that. I know he's a strong pick and I like that movie. But

Eli (10:15.092)
Thanks, fire.

Eli (10:20.584)
Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Fossier (10:31.736)
This is probably after like Andy Gollum, Caesar, Benedict Cumberbatch on the ground as smog is kind of the quintessential mocap picture for me is that he's playing the character and it kind of looks goofy, but it's amazing. yeah.

Eli (10:43.346)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (10:48.126)
Sure, yeah. Uh-huh.

Eli (10:54.45)
Yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's fun and it's it's weird but like works, you know? Yeah. Yeah, great, great pick. That one wasn't high on my list, but yeah, I think it's a worthy, good worthy pick. Okay.

Andrew Fossier (11:02.35)
Yeah.

Eli (11:19.028)
This is where it gets tough. I think I'm gonna go ahead and pick this as a nostalgia pick. You already picked Caesar. Caesar would have been my next pick after Gollum and Neytiri, I think. So that's off the board. Right now I have this as my fourth one. It's kind of a nostalgia pick. It's been a long, I don't know that I've seen this movie since

Maybe I was in high school. But I remember going to see it with my dad in the theaters and it was a big deal because it was like a PG-13 movie and I was like around 13 at the time and my dad was kind of strict about that and so he was taking me to see it. So it was kind of like a, it's kind of like a.

A sweet memory I have of going to see this with my dad, like one of the first PG-13 movies he took me to see in the years when he felt like I was old enough. But yeah, I'm going to take Alan Tudyk as the robot Sonny in I, Robot. Was this on your radar?

Andrew Fossier (12:36.59)
Um, it actually was not, but that is a great pick. I, um, I haven't seen it, but, um, I feel like, I feel like I've seen stuff about it being mocap. So I, it wasn't my radar cause I haven't picked it, but I've definitely seen, I really like, I don't know if you're familiar with the channel corridor digital, but they do like behind the scenes stuff about VFX and mocap and stunt stunt stuff.

Eli (13:02.238)
Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, this is like, this is Will Smith, Heyday still, I think in 2004. And, yeah. I don't know if the movie's actually good or not, cause I haven't seen it since I was in high school, but I loved it then. And I would imagine I would still enjoy it now. And, I did watch a clip,

Andrew Fossier (13:05.27)
And so I'm sure that's where I saw something about it.

Andrew Fossier (13:23.64)
Yeah

Eli (13:33.582)
of his performance earlier to kind of refresh and yeah, it's a really good motion capture. There's a lot of kind of nuance in the emotions of this like AI character, a robot character. yeah, and I think it's a really good motion capture performance is what I'm drafting anyway, despite if the film is good or not.

Andrew Fossier (13:58.254)
well, I was already, I had this one like highlighted and ready to go before you, before you went. I'm also going robots for this third pick. real steel.

Eli (14:07.475)
Ooh.

Eli (14:11.814)
Okay, haven't seen it.

Andrew Fossier (14:13.726)
I, it's okay. I don't know. I like it because it's robots and it's Hugh Jackman and it's, it's just, I don't know. It's fun. It's, it's not amazing, but it's pretty fun. It's a boxing movie, with robots and the cool thing I looked into, I saw it on the list and I honestly just filtered movies I'd seen and I was looking through like, you know, what we could picks. And I looked into it and they used,

Eli (14:24.861)
Okay.

Eli (14:29.118)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (14:42.53)
Like they used, I didn't even realize that this is so cool that they used like animatronic, like hydraulic stuff for up close, some of the up close shots. And then like the full body stuff that happened in the boxing ring was largely, there was mocap done for that. So it was entirely digital, you know, fight scenes. Well, it's robot boxing. So it's really the two, like the two boxing, you know.

Eli (14:52.203)
cool.

Eli (15:00.732)
Yeah. So is it a particular character or?

Andrew Fossier (15:12.238)
They call it boxing, but it's kind of UFC style. It's not really... I don't actually know that they call it boxing. I think they say robot boxing, but it's more like just death match.

Eli (15:21.716)
So is it.

Eli (15:25.554)
Yeah, so is it like, is it Hugh Jackman's character controlling the robot?

Andrew Fossier (15:31.822)
Yes, well that's one of the things, I don't want to spoil anything, but they have like, oh okay, well that's one of the things that they do like voice command stuff a lot of times, or they have a remote control, but then there's like this thing that he has, the specific character that they have has this shadow feature that he can like follow what other robots fighting style and all his other stuff breaks.

Eli (15:37.298)
I'm probably not gonna watch it, so.

or not anytime soon.

Okay.

Andrew Fossier (15:59.502)
And so that at some point Hugh Jackman's like punching on the side of the ring and the robots punching following him. So, so yeah, he has control of it.

Eli (16:05.766)
Okay, so who does the motion capture for the robots?

Andrew Fossier (16:12.108)
I don't think it's Hugh Jackman. I think it's like fighters doing the motion capture stuff.

Eli (16:14.448)
Okay. Okay. So I'm just gonna put boxing robots in real steel.

Andrew Fossier (16:23.33)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (16:27.077)
Eli (16:31.208)
That's fun. Yeah. I don't mean to say I'll never watch it, but it's not, it's not high on my list. That's not, I'm not watching it anytime soon, but you know, who knows what will happen in the future.

Andrew Fossier (16:35.086)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's not even really a spoiler. It's kind of just...

Andrew Fossier (16:42.434)
Yeah, I'm just, I am very spoiler sensitive. I try to be spoiler sensitive, but it's incredibly heavily foreshadowed. So it's not really, you know.

Eli (16:47.122)
No, that's fair.

Eli (16:51.732)
Okay.

Eli (16:59.22)
All right, I'm gonna do, okay, so I have three, I get two more picks, okay. I'm gonna go ahead and take, I'm gonna do another Planet of the Apes one. I'm gonna take Toby Keble as Coba in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Do you remember this character, Coba? He's kinda like the leader of the kind of rogue apes.

Andrew Fossier (17:17.311)
Okay.

Andrew Fossier (17:21.155)
Yeah?

Andrew Fossier (17:27.188)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

Eli (17:28.882)
He's super good. watched a clip to refresh earlier because it's been a while since I've seen it. And I'm like, this is freaking awesome. Like the, kind of like, he, he kind of like has a, he's not as like well-developed in his speech as Caesar. So he kind of like speaks really slow and like deep and heavy, like heavy breathing. And he's like a very like scarred up ape. he kind of like the, wears a lot of like

Andrew Fossier (17:34.69)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (17:56.462)
Uh-huh.

Eli (17:59.278)
anger and sadness in his expressions, which obviously Toby Keble has to do in his performance. It's really good. It's a really, really good performance, motion capture wise. So yeah, I'm going with Toby Keble as Koba in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

Andrew Fossier (18:28.106)
Okay, for my fourth pick, I went with...

The Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest, Davy Jones. That's also...

Eli (18:43.132)
Yeah, okay. Is that the first one? So he's in more than one, right?

Andrew Fossier (18:51.903)
Yes, so I'm

Eli (18:56.158)
Davy Jones. Okay.

Andrew Fossier (19:00.191)
No, he's...

Eli (19:02.152)
He's not in Desmond's chest, is he? Is that the first one? It's at Worlds End that he shows up, right? Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (19:05.644)
Wait, did I get the name wrong? Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, that was, Davy Jones was at World's End. I typed it out and I was like, wait, no, okay, yeah, yeah.

Eli (19:14.108)
Yeah, right. Bill Nye, yeah.

Eli (19:19.73)
Yeah, yeah. Cause I had it on my list and when you said it, was like, I don't know if that's the right one.

Andrew Fossier (19:21.186)
Yeah, Davy Jones specifically.

Andrew Fossier (19:26.798)
Whoops. It's been a bit since I've seen those, but...

Eli (19:30.61)
No, it's a good one. Yeah, that's a good mocap performance for sure.

Andrew Fossier (19:32.238)
Yeah.

Eli (19:40.276)
This is the fun part of the podcast where I'm typing out our things in our document. I'll probably edit this out.

Eli (19:58.302)
just a long title.

Eli (20:14.406)
Okay, this is, this is my last pick.

There's several directions I could go. I'm not gonna end up, I don't think I'm gonna end up picking a Spielberg MoCap performance, which is kind of sad, because this is coming off of some Spielberg films with MoCap.

I don't know. How many do you have left on your list? Do you have?

Andrew Fossier (20:50.987)
I got three left. Yeah.

Eli (20:53.107)
Okay.

Eli (20:57.188)
Okay, I'm just gonna take the one that I think is probably like the more significant I Don't know if I necessarily like No, it's probably is it's probably it's the more iconic one. It's the more important one pop culturally I'm gonna take Josh Brolin as Thanos and I guess I'll go with the Infinity War I mean

Andrew Fossier (21:24.238)
Good pick.

Eli (21:25.5)
Yeah, I felt like it needed to be picked. I wasn't sure if you were going to pick it or not on your next one. Then I was like, this needs to be on the list. because yeah, it's, it's huge. mean, that's the Thanos in those movies is huge. Like it's a big, it's a really big deal. Like for, and it's, and it's a good motion capture performance. You know, Roland does, I think a good job, you know,

kind of having those masked emotions, because Thanos has emotions, but he kind of masks them, you know, behind a hard demeanor. yeah, I think he's great as Thanos and yeah, it's an important character. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Andrew Fossier (22:12.91)
Yeah, yeah, that's a really good pick. It's on my list as kind of backup of my other ones. Because that sounds bad. I like the performance. I just figured it was going to get taken. So I'm a little unclear how...

Eli (22:30.674)
Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (22:43.766)
I'm trying to be honorable about is it mocap or not.

Eli (22:48.276)
Yeah.

Eli (22:52.798)
Well, we can, we can, I don't have any more picks, so we can talk about it together.

Andrew Fossier (22:56.874)
Yeah, well, well, what I'm looking at right now is saying I saw I'll say what I did. I picked Iron Man. 2008, but looking into it a little more heavily, and it's on the list, it's on the list of Wikipedia. Yeah, I agree. Paddington. So I think what I am going to do is say, wait.

Eli (23:05.83)
Okay.

Eli (23:13.054)
The Wikipedia list? That list is questionable. I already mentioned the Paddington thing.

Andrew Fossier (23:27.276)
No, you said Infinity War, but I-

I'll just say, I know the later stuff when he has nanotech is almost entirely mocap, as opposed to the early stuff, is practical and digital compositing. So I think I'll say end game, even though I think what I'm really thinking of is his performance in Infinity War when he's fighting Thanos. But.

Eli (23:38.45)
Okay.

Eli (23:57.844)
You can do, this is a little bit a different format of a draft since we're taking the performances. So if you wanna, if you wanna.

Andrew Fossier (24:00.567)
If it's different.

Mmm.

Andrew Fossier (24:11.278)
I know, that doesn't feel Spirit of the Rules to me. So I'll take a...

Eli (24:14.834)
Okay, do what you want to do. I was going to give it a pass because it's a different, it's a different performance and we're drafting that a performance is, but yeah.

Andrew Fossier (24:19.074)
Hahaha

Andrew Fossier (24:24.79)
Yeah. I'll- I'll s- But now that I'm thinking about it, I don't even know that he has-

Eli (24:32.636)
I wasn't, I didn't look into how mocap those things are. So I can't really, can't really veto it or anything. Cause I'm not sure. It wasn't on my list at all.

Andrew Fossier (24:32.938)
a lot in Endgame.

Andrew Fossier (24:40.203)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (24:46.54)
He doesn't spend very much time.

No, I mean, my gosh, I guess he probably does the snap in mocap, so.

I'll take in game. I'll take in game.

Eli (25:01.053)
Okay.

Eli (25:07.934)
See.

Andrew Fossier (25:44.642)
I just looked up the snap scene and it looks like it is... Wait.

Eli (25:53.477)
So he was in practical suits sometimes and then mocap suits.

Andrew Fossier (25:53.518)
for the suit.

Mmm.

Eli (26:01.843)
when

Eli (26:06.814)
when he wasn't like able to do a practical suit.

Eli (26:19.272)
Okay, I'm gonna put down, you wanted me to put down end game.

Andrew Fossier (26:22.968)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (26:42.024)
Yeah, I think it's a good pick. I had seen Iron Man on the list, but I didn't really look into how much mocap he was doing. it seems like whenever he's... It's kind of like he's doing practical suits sometimes, and then sometimes it's fully digital when he's doing real crazy flips and stuff.

Andrew Fossier (26:50.744)
Yeah.

Eli (27:09.534)
but then the rest of it when he's not able to do practical is mocap. you know, it definitely counts and definitely a good character to choose for this draft.

Andrew Fossier (27:10.147)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (27:17.623)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (27:24.974)
What does that surprise me? We're seeing on list we're a quiet place.

Eli (27:30.674)
Yeah, I don't know if they did the monsters mocap or what.

Andrew Fossier (27:32.024)
That surprised me.

Andrew Fossier (27:36.142)
Another one was that the BB8 is also like apparently mocapped. I don't... yeah.

Eli (27:46.248)
Huh. So I had, you know, I had picked Alan Tudyk in iRobot, but Alan Tudyk also does mocap for Rogue One for the K2SO. So that's Alan Tudyk also in mocap. Which that makes sense. He's a kind of a humanoid droid. I'm not sure how you do mocap for BBA, but he's rolling around, you know, I don't know. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but.

Andrew Fossier (27:57.122)
Hmm. cool. Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (28:02.926)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (28:12.802)
Yeah.

Eli (28:16.404)
I wasn't gonna pick K2SO, but I did have it down the list pretty far. So, you know, I should mention, you know, there's obviously the, kind of like, I guess, our big honorable mentions that we didn't end up taking. I didn't take the Spielberg films off the board.

Andrew Fossier (28:18.658)
Annihilation also surprised me.

Andrew Fossier (28:26.402)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (28:44.872)
but we didn't take them anyways. So those are our like big honorable mentions. So you have, for me, I would pick Andy Serkis as Captain Haddock in 1010 as the best one from 1010. And then Mark Rylance as the BFG, obviously in the BFG is a really good, that's the other one I was thinking about taking instead of Thanos. Cause it is a really good performance, but I didn't go with that, no one with Thanos.

make it a big honorable mention. But I did have others too. Jason Cope as Christopher Johnson and all the other aliens in District 9. Those are good performances, mo-cap performances. Zemeckis as Christmas Carol with Jim Carrey as Scrooge. That's a fun one. Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk. Pretty good, pretty good.

Andrew Fossier (29:35.918)
Yeah.

Eli (29:43.484)
You could pick, I guess you could go with the Avengers or whatever movie he's in. and then yeah, you know, Andy circus also does, these are some that you wouldn't typically think of, but he does, Kong and the James Cameron, King Kong. He does motion capture for that, that character. And that's what I was kind of, that's one of the things I was thinking of when I was thinking of even beyond like the talking Caesar ape.

Like he brings kind of a humanity to Kong that makes him more, you know, humanistic kind of relatable in a way. he also does Godzilla in the Gareth Edwards Godzilla reboot. which is fun, I guess. but yeah, those are, those are some of the other ones I had kind of as honorable mentions. Did you have any other ones on your list that you wanted to shout out or did I already say them?

Andrew Fossier (30:13.859)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (30:29.24)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (30:41.344)
no, well, had some noted that like I would list it as like emergency picks, but I was like questionable. but movies that I liked, Annihilation, when I-

Eli (30:50.121)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (30:54.6)
Yeah, it's a mocap performance for, I don't want to spoil it, but the humanoid thing at the end.

Andrew Fossier (31:00.773)
Yeah.

Eli (31:05.043)
That's a mocap performance.

Andrew Fossier (31:05.112)
Wait, really? Because I was saying conflicting things about if that was or not. Yeah.

Eli (31:11.158)
really? When I looked it up, that's what I saw was there was an actress that did a mocap performance for that before it changes, obviously, without spoiling it.

Andrew Fossier (31:15.53)
Okay.

Andrew Fossier (31:21.71)
Uh huh, yeah. No, yeah, yeah, that's good. That's descriptive enough. I might have picked it if I'd have... Because see, the thing to me was what I looked up and saw was that it was mocap for like one of the creatures. And then...

Eli (31:43.898)
yeah, I don't see anything about that.

Andrew Fossier (31:47.15)
But yeah, when I saw it on the list, I thought, oh, that thing at the end must be mocap. That was what I went to. OK.

Eli (31:54.216)
Yeah, that is what I saw. It wasn't Natalie Portman doing the mocap. was another mocap performer doing that. But yeah.

Andrew Fossier (32:01.493)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (32:05.038)
That's cool. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that was a good performance. I really enjoyed that film.

Eli (32:10.14)
Yeah, I didn't put it on my list because it's like, it's so brief and there's not a ton to it. but yeah, yeah. But it is eligible. And I do love that movie and love that part of the movie. you not anti it as a pick.

Andrew Fossier (32:17.431)
Yeah

Andrew Fossier (32:22.626)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (32:30.379)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Fossier (32:34.028)
Yeah, that was the only, I was at the end of my list. So that was pretty much all honorable, honorable mention or dishonorable mention. How do we want to say that? Cats. Has cats been ragged on enough?

Eli (32:46.932)
Ha ha ha.

Eli (32:53.252)
I didn't mention, my dishonorable mention would be the Polar Express, Tom Hanks has all those characters. Not against Tom Hanks, but that movie just freaks me out. The uncanny valley of it all is not good.

Andrew Fossier (33:00.737)
Oooooh

Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (33:09.506)
That is the uncanny valley. That's like the example I would give someone if they didn't know what it was.

Eli (33:14.874)
It is. So, you know, love Tom Hanks, but I do not like the way that movie looks.

Andrew Fossier (33:23.128)
Which is, I enjoy the feeling of the book and the train and the distance and the snow, but that movie was creepy. But yeah, yeah, that's a good dishonorable mention.

Eli (33:28.808)
Yeah,

Eli (33:34.452)
I think that's the first time we've had dishonorable mentions. So this should be a new thing with movie drafts. do, I'm gonna bring this back in the future, dishonorable mentions.

Andrew Fossier (33:38.638)
Yeah.

Andrew Fossier (33:46.993)
That might be the one that wins. That might be the swing opinion. Do you mean you're going to include it in the in

Eli (33:54.908)
Yeah, well, no, not in the not for voting, but I might like I might like pop the dishonorable mentions up on this, you know, up on this Instagram story. But I meant more like in the when I record with people in the future, I'm going to ask them if they have dishonorable mentions.

Andrew Fossier (33:55.97)
The list?

okay. Okay.

Andrew Fossier (34:04.77)
Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Fossier (34:13.548)
Yeah, that's a fun one. Cats.

Eli (34:14.706)
Wait, what was your one again? cats. I didn't know that was mocap.

Andrew Fossier (34:21.888)
Yeah, it was mocap and then I just remember those roaches. was what.

Eli (34:27.816)
I never saw that, so.

Andrew Fossier (34:29.496)
It's nightmare fuel, man, don't.

Eli (34:34.342)
Man, that's awful. Well, that was a fun draft. I'm gonna read back the final results and yeah, then we'll be done. So Andrew ended up with Andy Serkis as Caesar in War for the Planet of the Apes, Benedict Cumberbatch as Smaug in The Hobbit Desolation of Smaug, the boxing robots in Real Steel.

Bill Nye as Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean at Worlds End and Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man in Avengers Endgame. Great list. I ended up with Andy Serkis as Gollum in Lord of the Rings The Two Towers, Zoe Saldana as Neytiri in Avatar, Alan Tudyk as Sonny in iRobot, Toby Keble as Koba,

and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and Josh Brolin as Thanos in Avengers Infinity War. Yeah, that's our list. We had some honorable and dishonorable mentions. And yeah, I think this is gonna be a fun one. I think we both have some crowd favorites that could sway some votes. So it'll be interesting to see how the poll turns out. yeah, that's really, that's all I've got. I think we're done.

we're going to pick back up with Spielberg next week with West Side Story. So be on the lookout for that. That'll be a fun episode. And yeah, that's it. I've been Eli Price for Andrew Fosier. You've been listening to The Establishing Shot. We'll see you next time.

Andrew Fossier (35:57.794)
Yeah. Good list.