Steven Spielberg: An Epilogue
Steven Spielberg is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. Although his career started with a bang as he basically fathered the modern summer blockbuster with Jaws, it hasn’t been without its ups and downs. One thing that you can never take away from him, however, is both his genius behind the camera and his passion for his projects. In this bittersweet episode, we finish our Spielberg series by taking a look back over his entire career after having visited every single one of his films. I share takeaways, some favorite performances, shots, and moments. And I share my final Spielberg rankings.
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It wasn't closely.
What's the secret thing?
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Just got to find something you
love to do and then do it for
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the rest of your life.
I don't want to be a product of
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my environment.
I want my environment to be a
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product of me.
Hello and welcome to the
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Establishing Shot, a podcast
where we do deep dives and two
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directors and their
filmographies.
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I am your host, Eli Price, and
we are here on episode 118 of
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the podcast.
And it is time to wrap up the
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Spielberg series, finally.
Today is our Steven Spielberg
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epilogue episode.
And so, yeah, I'm excited.
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It's kind of sad, actually, but
excited, happy, excited.
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It feels good to be wrapping up
a long, long series.
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I did not look at how long I've
been in this series, but it's
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been a long time.
And it's yeah, this has been a
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long time coming.
Now, I did change up the format
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of the podcast starting with
this series.
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I used to do, I used to do like
for my Wes Anderson and
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Christopher Nolan series, I
would do in one episode would be
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me covering the movie.
And then also we would do like a
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movie news segment and we would
do a movie draft all in the one
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same episode.
And so I did switch the format
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up, starting with this series
where we do we cover the films
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of the directors and then every
other episode and then the
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episodes in between are like the
movie drafts or the interviews
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or the top fives or, you know,
whatever else.
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We end up doing bonus reviews.
And so, yeah, so with that
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switch, it's made this series
last even longer than it would
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have been the old format.
But yeah, I started this series
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looking back on February 16th,
2024.
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And so we've been in this for, I
guess a few months shy of two
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years.
But yeah, that was the overview
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episode, you know?
And yeah, it's been, it's been a
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long time coming.
We've we've done it, we've
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wrapped up Spielberg.
We've watched all of his movies.
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We've recorded podcasts of all
of his on all of his movies,
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some short, some very long, as
I'm sure you know, if you've
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been following along.
But yeah, it, this is exciting.
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I, I am ready to do this now
since this, since there's so
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many Spielberg films and this
has been a long series, I did
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some intermission episodes.
So I kind of broke it up where
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instead of just doing an
overview and an epilogue, I did
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some intermissions.
And those were episodes where I
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would recap a couple of decades
of films from Spielberg and look
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forward to the next one and kind
of set up the next deck couple
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of decades.
And so I did a couple of those
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where I recapped the 70s and 80s
one, and then again one where I
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recapped the 90s and 2000s.
And so in this epilogue, I'm
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going to do a little bit of
both.
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I'm going to kind of recap the
20 tens and the 20s of
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Spielberg's career like I have
done with those past
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intermission episodes.
And then I'm going to, so those
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will be that'll they'll be a
little bit more detail to that.
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And then I'm going to kind of
just do an overall recap of
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Spielberg's career and and where
we are.
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And so, yeah, so let's dive in
the 20 tens and the twenty 20s
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of Spielberg's career.
You know, this is these are I
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guess these past 15 years now
2010 to now to 2025.
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You know, it's it's kind of the
point of Spielberg's career
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where he's not really worrying
about making money anymore per
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SE.
I mean, he is, but but he
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doesn't have to make money with
his films.
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So he kind of is free to kind of
make what he wants and pursue
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what projects he wants at this
point.
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And you see that come to great
advantage.
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And some some not so much over
this time, this time period,
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this decade and a half.
And so ironically, I think like
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his only really big financial
hit was Ready Player 1, which is
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a movie that I think was like,
it seems like critically and
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just like in my opinion was
probably the worst of the last
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15 years, but it made the most
money, which maybe that's a,
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maybe that's a bad sign for
where we are with the movie
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industry.
But yeah, we're we won't we
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won't dwell on that too much.
He he kind of carried over as
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well his kind of balance of
doing serious films and doing
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more fun films.
So a lot more serious ones over
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this of these last 15 years of
his career with some still fun
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ones thrown in in between some
some of those kind of classic
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Spielberg blockbuster.
I really like the end up being
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very like some more child
focused ones again, which he
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hasn't done in a while.
And so I would say even on the
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start, the, the just to start
the 20 tens with the adventures
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of 10/10, which is an explicitly
a children's film, a film
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directed for children.
And then the same kind of with
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the BFG too.
And I, I think that's something
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maybe new that he did in, in
these last 15 years.
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You know, ET, I guess you could
say is like that, but not not
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completely and totally.
And really other than ET,
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there's, there's not really, I
mean, Jurassic Park is, is still
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like, not like kids film, you
know, even though dinosaurs are
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appealing to kids.
And so really it, I haven't
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really thought about that until
this moment.
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But yeah, Adventures of 10/10
and the BFG have been making,
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like, explicit, explicit
children's movies.
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Even with stuff like Cook,
that's the Peter Pan story.
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It's still a very, like, adult
movie, you know, in a lot of
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ways, even though kids still
love and enjoy a movie like
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Cook.
Yeah.
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So this, I think really like the
20 Tens might be considered his
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weakest decade.
And I think I reflected in that
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last intermission episode on why
that might be.
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I think part of it, I think one
of the big reasons is maybe like
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his movies just didn't make a
lot of money that there wasn't
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any like big splashes like there
was in the last decades.
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But I don't know.
I think it was a very strong
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decade.
Like it was very, very steady
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and consistent.
And so, yeah, I'm kind of, I'm
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kind of looking through and I'm
like, man, I, I really like,
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there's a couple of films that I
don't care for a whole lot, but
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most of them are just really
solid, a really solid run.
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And so a few duds maybe in the
middle.
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But I, I think all of us that
we, we can kind of talk about
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that when we overview the whole
career, but every decade of
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Spielberg kind of has one of
those one or two of them.
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So yeah.
And then like in as he he, he
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kind of like it, it seems like
to the decade, maybe starting
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with Munich, which was the end
of the 2000s.
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I think that was 2008 that that
came out starting with Munich.
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So coming into the, he really
like is leaning into as well.
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The, the more like I have
something to say politically.
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I have something to say like
morally and ethically and
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politically.
And here's the movie for it.
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Now it's Spielberg.
So those movies are not like in
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your face about that.
They're not distasteful, they're
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not preachy in that way.
So when I say that like, you
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know, I'm not saying like in a
bad way, but he you can tell
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like he has.
And I think it's something to do
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with where he is in his stage of
life.
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He has older kids now that he
wants to influence and and kind
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of like teach of how to view the
world, how to engage with the
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world, how to make a difference
in the world, you know, And so I
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do think that in this decade, he
really is like leaning into
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those political statement
movies, maybe for that reason,
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because of where he is in his
life.
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And, you know, he's getting
older, You know, he's, he's
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running out of time to say what
he wants to say, meant to make
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the points that he wants to make
with his art.
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And so, yeah, I, I, I appreciate
that.
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I think that because he has the
financial stability and he's
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not, you know, relying on he
doesn't have to worry about like
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this studio's going to drop me
and then I won't be have anyone
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to make a movie.
No, he's Steven Spielberg.
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He can do, he can make whatever
he wants, whenever he wants.
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And so so he can make those
projects and and get them out
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there And even and then coming
off of that in the twenty 20s
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with West Side Story and the
Fableman's, I think now he's
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just kind of like he's he's
gotten all of his like political
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statements out of his system in
a in a way.
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West Side Story has some of
that.
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But and it's just passion
projects.
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It's it's films that like are
are like something deep for him.
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West Side Story, the musical
he's always wanted to make, the
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Fableman's, which is basically
just his personal story.
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And so, yeah, I really think
that the these past 15 years are
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kind of underrated for
Spielberg.
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And that's that's kind of
disappointing because there's
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some really great stuff in here.
So yeah, I'm going to do now.
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I'm going to.
OK, yeah, yeah.
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Now, now I'm going to go through
some of my favorites of these
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past 15 years of his career.
So let's talk about favorite
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performances.
I'm just going to kind of run
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through these.
I'm not going to spend a lot of
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time on these performances
because I talked about them in
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the episode, but it's fun to
kind of list out things and
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reflect.
So that's what we're going to
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do.
In The Adventures of Tintin.
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I didn't really have like, I
mean, so Andy Serkis plays
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Captain Haddock and I think he's
really good, but there wasn't
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anything that was like, oh, I
love that performance, even
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though I did think Circus was
good just because he always is.
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So yeah, Adventure the Tintin is
fine.
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I think it's a fine movie.
War Horse I was, I actually
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liked more than I thought I was
going to.
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Like, I didn't think it was
phenomenal, but I really enjoyed
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it.
I thought it was a good movie.
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My standout performance in that
was Neil's Airstrip as the
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grandfather really packs an
emotional punch in the the short
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time he has on screen.
And so I really enjoyed that.
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I mean, I'm the horse.
The horse is great, right?
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And then Lincoln is kind of
obvious.
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Daniel Day Lewis as Abraham
Lincoln is incredible.
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One of the greatest living
actors working with one of the
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greatest living film makers.
And yeah, I mean, it's hard to
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mess that up.
But also Tommy Lee Jones as
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Thaddeus Stevens in that movie
is really, really great.
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He's really like getting his
grumpy on and doing his Tommy
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Lee Jones things with his with
his powdered wig.
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And yeah, really enjoyed him in
that movie as well.
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I mean, a lot of these are kind
of obvious a bridge of spies.
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I mean, it's Tom Hanks as James
B Donovan, and it's Mark Rylance
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as Rudolph Abel.
They're both great in their,
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their their own different ways.
You know, Tom Hanks is kind of
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in his, it's funny.
He's kind of in his like, is it
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John Fox?
What is his first name?
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And you've got mail?
I can't think of it.
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I know his last name is Fox.
Yeah, he's he's in his you've
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got male mode really.
Like he's got that like that Tom
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Hanks Ness in the in the best
way as James B Donovan kind of
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that.
I don't know if Fox isn't
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necessarily like an everyman,
but he he kind of is.
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He kind of has that feel still,
even though he's the big, big,
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big bookstore owner.
But enough on that.
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Tom Hanks is great in this
movie.
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Mark Rylance is just he's so
he's so good, just the way he
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carries himself that the way
they kind of like feed off of
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each other in the movie and hat
and bring like totally different
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energies, but don't like give in
to each other's energy is is so,
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so good.
And then of course, in the BFG,
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it's Mark Rylance as the BFG.
Even through the mocap
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performance, he he pulls it off
the post.
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Like I said, these are obvious.
It's Meryl Streep as K Graham.
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You know, I talked about when we
went, when we went through that
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episode of just how how well she
envelops this character and, and
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kind of like in subtle ways
undermines the, I guess like the
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patriarchal system she's trying
to breakthrough in.
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kind of encapsulates like a like
feminine strength that's really
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incredible.
So love Meryl Streep in the post
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Ready Player 1, not a lot going
well for me and Ready Player One
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unfortunately.
Except somehow even though I
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don't love what they do with the
character, Mark Rylance is still
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just captivating as Halladay in
that movie.
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So you know, it's Mark Rylance.
He's gotten mentioned for all of
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his Spielberg roles here.
And then of course we have his
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last two latest 2 West Side
Story.
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Ariana Dubose as Anita
powerhouse incredible.
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Mike Feist as Riff is like, I
don't know, he's just really,
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really great.
But even with those two
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powerhouse performances, my
like, I've seen this movie
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before.
So I remember thinking she was
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good, but like just I was blown
away by Rachel Zegler in this
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movie.
She is young.
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It's like her first.
It is.
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It's her first movie and she
just kills it.
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She's carrying the emotional
weight of the movie on her
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shoulders in this movie.
Really incredible.
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So shout out to Rachel Zegler
and the West Side Story.
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And then the the Fable men's.
You know, it's it's kind of the
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two main people.
These are so obvious, but it's
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kind of what else am I going to
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It's Michelle Williams as Mitzi
Fable men.
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Great.
I talk a lot a lot about like
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what she does in that movie in
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Gabriel Bell as Sammy is really
good as well.
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Those are my favorite
performances.
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Back to the show, let's move on
to favorite shots in moments.
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So I like to kind of reflect
back on some of my favorite
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shots from these movies, some of
my favorite moments from these
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movies, whatever it may be.
In War Horse, it's it's the
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meeting of the two soldiers in
No man's land to free the horse
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from the barbed wire.
Incredible sequence.
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I talked about how that's it's
kind of like a short film in and
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of itself that encapsulates like
the theme and the the point of
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the movie all in one, like
little sequence.
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It's beautiful.
It's shot with that like classic
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Janusz Kaminsky, Steven
Spielberg, Blues fog, you know,
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reflections in water HUD.
It's great.
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It's a great sequence.
And Lincoln, there's this moment
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where like Lincoln is sitting at
the end of the table in a
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cabinet meeting and he's he
starts in on one of his stories
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and everyone like is locked in
and the camera pushes slowly in
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down the table past everybody
into a close up of Lincoln as
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he's monologuing.
And it's kind of the camera is
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leaning into him just like
everyone in that room is leaning
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into him and you're leaning into
him because he's captivating.
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And so that was a a kind of
standout shot to me.
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Of course you got the now, now,
now.
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This is how I just impressed
myself.
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I feel like that was a decent
impersonation of they sis
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Lincoln.
But I love that.
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And then anytime Thaddeus
Stevens is like insulting
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someone on the House floor.
Those are the best moments.
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He's saying, I can't remember
which guy it was, but he's more
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lizard than man as my favorite
line of that movie.
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Yeah, lots of great moments in
Lincoln.
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A great looking film.
Bridge of Spies, Honestly, like
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I think my favorite sequence
might be the that opening
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sequence where you're, you're
kind of, it's kind of like this
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chase sequence.
Everything is being communicated
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visually as you as you go
through these New York streets
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and subways and you got glances
between and I guess FBI, I'm
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assuming agents.
And yeah, really, really great
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sequence.
The bridge at the end is a great
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looking sequence as well.
In the post, it's probably the
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build up to Kay's big decision.
You know, you've got that
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swirling camera.
I don't know how Spielberg does
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it, but he makes a phone
conversation really like intense
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and captivating and interesting.
That's a really great moment.
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And then, you know, Meryl Streep
as as Kay really like underplays
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that moment.
You're expecting this big
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climactic thing.
And the way she, like, delivers
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the the, you know, the decision
to print the paper is very,
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like, subtle and, like,
unassuming and like, yeah, I
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guess.
Yeah.
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Let's do it, you know, And it,
it's really great.
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Ready Player One mostly just, I
guess anything with Mark
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Rylance.
I don't know.
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I don't really have a lot to
say.
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I said enough in that episode
about Ready Player One.
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West Side Story is, I would say,
the standout favorite moments
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and shots are everything.
There's tons of purely cinematic
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shots.
You know, you've got Tony and
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Maria catching eyes across the
dance floor for the first time,
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with people dancing in between
them and meeting behind the
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bleachers.
So good.
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You've got, you know, Tony
reflecting in the water as he's
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singing Maria.
You've got that low, there's
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this low angle shot to like
finish off the song America,
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where the skyscrapers are like
it's shot straight down the
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street.
Skyscrapers are like fit framing
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the performers.
So good.
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You've got the shadows crossing
before the big rumble in the
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warehouse.
That's just incredible shot.
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And yeah.
And then just great musical
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numbers.
I think my favorite musical
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number and song is maybe still
tonight.
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But I was I was really liked
some of the what they did was
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somewhere in that movie.
And then the the kind of just
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raw energy and emotion of the a
boy like that slash.
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I have a love is just really
great.
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It's kind of what sold this
movie for me, what made me
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believe that Maria loves Tony in
a way that like no other
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Shakespearean story has.
I mean, like Shakespearean Romeo
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and Juliet story has ever made
me buy so love that and the and
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the fable winds.
I mean, one of the things that
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doesn't I think get like brought
up a lot.
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That was a standout to me, was
his first, like moment directing
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an actor, you know, with the kid
that that, you know, in the war
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that he's like directing to like
have this big emotional reaction
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to, you know, all of us, all of
his, you know, these people he's
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leading into battle, being dead.
And yeah, that was very moving
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to me, that sequence, the shot
of his that I talked about this
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shot of when they move into
their new Kelly home.
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There's this shot where his mom
looks directly into the camera
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that is being shot by Spielberg,
but it's in the movie.
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It's being shot by Sammy on his
camera.
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And she looks what this like
longing, sad, depressed look
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into the camera killed me.
That moment.
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Him seeing himself filming his
parents as they're they're
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announcing their divorce is
probably the big one everyone
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says.
And it's there's a reason for
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that.
The the ending with the the John
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Ford Horizon stuff is gold.
Love that.
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But yeah, those are there's some
of my favorite shots and moments
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and what not through throughout
the last 15 years of his career.
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So having my notes or rankings
for the 2000s and 20s, but I'm
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actually going to save that
because we're going to do a
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ranking of the entire Spielberg
filmography.
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But not yet.
I'll save that for last.
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OK, let's let's kind of recrap.
Wow, did I say recrap?
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That's awful.
Let's recap Spielberg's entire
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career, which has been the exact
opposite of crap.
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So I think the first thing I
want to talk about is just some
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Spielberg distinctives.
It's something that I kind of
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like to talk about and every
episode and every film that we
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covered Spielberg, What are some
things that you can expect
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Spielberg to do with the camera?
One of them is he loves to push
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in onto a character.
There's different the ways he
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likes to do close-ups, he likes
to do the push in, he likes low
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angle close-ups.
And by that I mean if you're
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watching online, it would be if
I had the camera tilted and I'm
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in close up with it looking up
at me.
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He loves to do that for some
reason.
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And then he he loves to do this
thing.
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It was especially like in the
first half of his career, but
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you still see it sometimes later
in his career where the way that
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the camera is framed, the the
character may or may not already
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be in frame, but they somehow
end U in a close U they like.
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The camera doesn't move, the
character moves into the close U
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and I've always just like every
time I see it, I'm like, yes,
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Bilberry.
I don't know why I love that.
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What are some other Spielberg
distinctives?
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The dude loves reflections.
Sometimes it's very meaningful.
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It's a it's a reflection or a
shadow and you've got the
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iconic, The Color Purple shadow
in the rocking chair.
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And sometimes they're, they're
like full of thematic meaning
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and and purpose And sometimes
they're just fun shots, to be
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honest, which is fine with me
because it's Spielberg and he
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can make some really great shots
and it's fun to see it a play
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out and to work.
But yeah, other other Spielberg
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distinctives.
The dude knows how to build
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tension like with the best of
them.
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I don't know how he does it.
One of the one of the moments
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from early in his career that
like kind of set the table for
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how good he is at building
tension.
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Obviously Jaws, but I'm thinking
of close Encounters where you
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see, oh, what's the, the
mountain called?
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Like Devil's Peak or Devil's,
whatever it's called, you see it
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on the TV and you have, you have
Dreyfus in the background
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building the, the model of it in
his basement or living room or
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whatever.
And you're just like, look at
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the TV, look at the TV and he's
on the phone and like, it's just
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this tension building, tension
building.
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And finally, he sees it on the
TV.
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Yeah, that's all through
Spielberg's career, that sort of
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tension building, not just in
like legit intense moments like
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you get in like Munich per SE,
per SE, but even in like moments
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like that that are kind of like
mundane.
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There's a there's a lot at
stake, I guess, in the context
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of the movie, but the reality
and in, like reality, there's
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not a whole lot at stake.
And so, yeah, I love that about
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Spielberg.
The dude loves to imply horror
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off screen.
He loves blood trickling down
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the stream in Jurassic Park.
He loves to cut to, you know,
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the blood mixing with milk and
Munich as someone's gotten shot
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and dropped their groceries.
Yeah, he he loves to like, have
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violence happen off screen,
unless it's Saving Private Ryan,
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where he just flips the script
on us and puts everything on
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screen.
So he can do both.
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He he proved that for sure.
But but I love the implied
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horror plied implied violence
off screen that he does.
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The dude.
The dude knows how to set up the
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geography of an action sequence
where you know, where everyone
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is, what all is happening, where
it's happening, how it might
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possibly, you know, intersect at
some point.
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The different things going on.
Indiana Jones with Raiders of
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00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,960
the Lost Ark with the, the truck
chase sequence, the sense of
430
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,720
geography and that is
incredible.
431
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,760
The sense of geography and like
the plane fight sequence as
432
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,640
well.
I think about Munich, I think is
433
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,720
like I remember in that episode
talking about I think that might
434
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,080
be the peak of action set piece,
like the geography, knowing
435
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,680
where there's the the phone
call, like the foam bomb
436
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040
sequence.
That's just like incredible
437
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,320
movie making, incredible
attention building, incredible
438
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,640
actions, geography, set piece
sequence with characters in
439
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,960
multiple locations, you know,
where everybody is.
440
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,440
It's incredible.
Yeah, those are some Spielberg
441
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,680
distinctives, but let's let's
dig a little deeper.
442
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,360
What makes a movie a Spielberg
movie?
443
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,120
I think there's I think there's
a bit of an inexplicable quality
444
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320
to a Spielberg movie, a Wes
Anderson movie.
445
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,200
You can kind of explain what it
is that makes a Wes Anderson
446
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400
movie, a Wes Anderson movie, a
Christopher Nolan movie.
447
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,400
I'm saying these because these
are the past directors I've
448
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,840
covered, right?
A Christopher Nolan Nolan movie.
449
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560
You can kind of like put your
thumb on it.
450
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200
You kind of know, like, OK,
these are, these are what, this
451
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,600
is what Nolan does.
He does time he does, you know,
452
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:07,080
it's, you know, out of sequence.
It's you kind of know how to
453
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,520
describe like what makes a Nolan
movie a Nolan movie or a Wes
454
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Anderson movie, a Wes Anderson
movie, a Spielberg movie.
455
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,760
It's a little bit harder to nail
down because of the kind of wide
456
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,560
range of genres and
sensibilities that he has been
457
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,040
able to capture from like,
straight up kids movies to
458
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,800
action adventure movies to
political dramas and thrillers
459
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:43,080
to to very like, intense
historical dramas with like,
460
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Schindler's List.
Yeah, I think the only thing
461
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320
maybe Spielberg doesn't have on
his checklist is straight
462
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,800
comedy, because 1941 was
terrible.
463
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:01,280
But yeah, I mean, he's really
done a wide range of genres and
464
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,080
intersecting genres and stuff
like that.
465
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
So there's not one like genre
you can put him in.
466
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,760
And there's not really one kind
of feel.
467
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
It's it's like the only way I
can describe it is that there's
468
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,840
some sort of like magic wizardry
in the way that he shoots things
469
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,280
that just captures you.
And when you see it, you can
470
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,960
just feel the Spielberg of it.
And like other film makers can
471
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,520
tap into that.
Even sometimes that that
472
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,480
Spielberg feel like it makes me
think of like Jordan pills.
473
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,880
Nope movie is so Spielberg the
way it's shot and I I even told
474
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,360
people after I saw it let's its
jaws in the sky and it it is
475
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,720
it's like it feels so Spielberg
the way he builds tension in
476
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,040
that movie, the way he just
frames things and composes
477
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,880
things.
Jordan Peele, it's very
478
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Spielberg and now not not Jordan
Peele's other movies don't have
479
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600
that feel necessarily, but I
think that one he's specifically
480
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,480
was tapping into that.
But but yeah, there's just this
481
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,360
kind of magic about the way he
is able to put things on screen
482
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,400
that draw you in and capture
you.
483
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,320
He is, I think Spielberg is one
of the best ever at just
484
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,440
composing A-frame and just
knowing that for so much of his
485
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,440
career, even with, even when he
was like heavily storyboarding
486
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,360
things for so much of his
career.
487
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,360
He, he's very improvisational on
as far as like what he does with
488
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,800
the camera.
He, he fills out a space and he
489
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,280
just, he has an intuition about
where to put the camera, where
490
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,400
to put the people in the, in
the, in the space to fill the
491
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,600
frame.
And yeah, just a strong
492
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720
intuition, a genius at composing
A-frame.
493
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,280
And I think too, like he can
direct the crap out of some
494
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,200
actors.
He there's there's so many like
495
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,640
young actors and actresses that
kind of you see before they've
496
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,000
really breaking out there, you
go back and they're like, they
497
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,120
were in a Spielberg movie, Like
he saw something in them and was
498
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,160
able to tap into that early on
in their careers.
499
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,960
And I, you know, I love that
about Spielberg.
500
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,200
And, you know, and even like
just working with even stars
501
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,200
like Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep,
he can, he can really like
502
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
direct actors very well.
I think another thing like
503
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,400
obviously like he pushes
technological bounds, maybe not
504
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,920
so much as people like James
Cameron, but but like, I, I
505
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,080
think along with that, like one
of the things I think that makes
506
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,360
a Spielberg A Spielberg movie is
that even in the most, even in
507
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360
his most serious movies.
So I think Schindler's List, you
508
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,760
can tell that he is still having
fun the way he shoots, the way
509
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,080
he, I don't know, just the feel
like there's, there's some
510
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,680
lightness even to Schindler's
List.
511
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,120
That's that's kind of
refreshing.
512
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,280
You know, you kind of need that.
But it's something that
513
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Spielberg brings to even his
most serious movies have this
514
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,280
lightness to them because you
know that Spielberg is having so
515
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,040
much fun on set and having so
much fun, like putting his
516
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,960
vision to to the screen.
And, and I think part of that is
517
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,960
that he actually, he's, he is a
director.
518
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,120
This is another thing I think
specific to Spielberg, that's
519
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,000
not the case for everybody.
He is a director that really
520
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,440
genuinely cares about his
audience and what his audience
521
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
thinks.
Like he, he will pivot if
522
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,400
something's not working and the
audience is not going to
523
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,080
respond.
Like, and I think he really
524
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,240
genuinely has the the audience
in mind.
525
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,640
He has the the crowd that like,
but it's not, but it doesn't
526
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720
sacrifice his artistry.
I think that's something that
527
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,160
early on in his career, he got a
bad rap for that.
528
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,200
He was all like action and crowd
pleasing, but not really a real
529
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,880
artist.
And, and I think that's so
530
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,680
wrong.
I think that he was just able to
531
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,640
find that fine line between the
two and to ride it where he is
532
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,400
crowd like he is making crowd
pleasing movies.
533
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,520
But all all the while he never
sacrifices his artistry and his
534
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,480
vision.
And that's something that like I
535
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
have a great respect for
Spielberg for because so many
536
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,560
times I feel like you can
directors fall either way.
537
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,680
They're, they're, you know, and,
and that's fine.
538
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,880
You know, you can make a crowd
pleasing film that's not very
539
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,080
artistic and still be good.
And obviously like you can make
540
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,160
very artistic films that aren't
like this is a crowd pleasing
541
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
film.
And obviously there's some
542
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,760
masterpieces out there and, and
that way, but but Spielberg, he
543
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,680
he has his vision and he's going
to execute his vision, His his
544
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,600
his piece of art that he is
making.
545
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,960
But he also really wants the
audience to love it and to be
546
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,199
enthralled with it and to be in
wonder of it.
547
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120
And and yeah, that that comes
across.
548
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,920
I mean, I, I think that's
something that is very unique to
549
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Spielberg and a reason why he's
one of the most successful
550
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,400
directors.
I say one of the most he is the
551
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,280
most successful director of all
time.
552
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,280
I think.
So, Yeah, yeah.
553
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,800
Let's let's go, let's kind of
like take a a journey through
554
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,560
his career.
You have this young savant who's
555
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,800
directing TV shows like nobody
like, and you know, to the
556
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,760
degree to where people are like,
man, this kid is good.
557
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,800
And then, you know, he somehow
ends up with Jaws and becomes
558
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,440
the father of the modern
blockbuster.
559
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,520
Incredible.
You know, he kind of in a lot of
560
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,000
ways with with Jaws and then
later Star Wars, they really
561
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,160
like jump started the modern
blockbuster kind of like
562
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:14,000
industry for better or worse,
you know, But yeah.
563
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,840
And then just kind of learning
like out of that process of like
564
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,520
having huge success with things
like Jaws and close Encounters
565
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,800
to like figure out like I need
to have the right people around
566
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,640
me.
I think is this part of his
567
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000
career?
You know, he makes he comes off
568
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,120
of close Encounters in 1941
really like it does OK
569
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,040
financially, but like it was
bad.
570
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,400
It was not a good movie.
And you know, it has it's like
571
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320
Defenders.
But like, I think in general,
572
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,280
like people just everyone knows
that 1941 is not a good movie.
573
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,920
And then to come off of that
with Raiders of the Lost Ark and
574
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,680
with the ET partnering with like
strong, like film makers and
575
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,800
strong writers, George Lucas
coming alongside of him,
576
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Melissa, Melissa Mathison with
ET and really like being able to
577
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,560
execute, take Spielberg's vision
and like translate it, whether
578
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,320
it's like with a great script
and ET or whether it's with like
579
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,440
bouncing off ideas and kind of
like honing down things with
580
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,440
George Lucas on what you want to
do.
581
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080
And like he, he, you know, he
has this era of childhood
582
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,400
wonder.
That's kind of becomes his
583
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,480
thing.
And I think it's a reason why he
584
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,840
he was accused of not being
artistic enough of a director
585
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,480
think I think that was wrong,
but it was a thing back then.
586
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,400
And I think out of that, he has
this period of his career where
587
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,160
with things like The Color
Purple and Empire of the Sun,
588
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,160
where he really maybe even
always, he's really like
589
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,080
grasping at wanting to be taken
seriously.
590
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200
He wants the recognition of his
peers.
591
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,280
He wants the Academy to to see
him as a serious director, a
592
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,280
serious contender.
And, you know, I think I think
593
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,000
The Color Purple was a miss.
I think Empire of the Sun was a
594
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,960
hit, but not with, you know, it
wasn't actually it.
595
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,800
It just in my opinion, it was a
great movie.
596
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,040
But yeah, it it's, yeah, this
desire to really be taken
597
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,800
seriously and then, you know,
kind of doing some flop passion
598
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,960
projects with always in the hook
in that transition into the 90s.
599
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,840
And yeah, it it's funny.
Like he comes out of that and
600
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,320
then he has his pinnacle year.
Like his it's it is the year,
601
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,440
the Spielberg year 1993.
He it's it's the first time I
602
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,720
think.
I think he had had trouble
603
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,360
separating his fun blockbuster
side from his serious drama side
604
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,560
with things like The Color
Purple and Empire of the Sun and
605
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,480
always and hook even.
And he really in this year, I
606
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,360
think the thing that made the
difference was, OK, I'm going to
607
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,680
make my fun blockbuster movie
and that's what it's going to
608
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,160
be.
I'm going to make my serious
609
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,760
drama and that's what it's going
to be.
610
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,640
And yeah, two of his best films
in the same year, Jurassic Park,
611
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Schindler's List.
Incredible.
612
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Yeah.
I don't know that anyone's ever
613
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,800
had a better movie year than
having the the highest grossing
614
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,840
film of its at that time in
Jurassic Park and a best picture
615
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
winner in Schindler's List.
And deservedly so.
616
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Phenomenal masterpiece movie.
I don't know that I don't think
617
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,880
it's ever happened for and ever
will again.
618
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,920
It might not ever happen again
for someone to have a year like
619
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:51,000
Spielberg had in 1993 and and
then he the 90s are kind of an
620
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,760
enigma because in my opinion, he
has three big flops and three
621
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,760
masterpieces.
I I don't know that I would say
622
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Saving Private Ryan is a
masterpiece.
623
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,360
Some people do, but you know, I
understand the argument for it.
624
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,840
It's a great, great, great
movie.
625
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,280
So he has three phenomenal
movies and three kind of flops.
626
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,800
And in my opinion, not everyone
thinks Hook is a flop, but he
627
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,040
had The Lost World, Jurassic
Park, Never again is he going to
628
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,480
make sequels other than Indiana
Jones, of course, but that's a
629
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,040
little different.
Amistad is Amistad is the movie
630
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,880
that he shouldn't have directed.
I went on a rant about that in
631
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,480
that episode that you can go
listen to.
632
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080
And then yes, Saving Private
Ryan really kicks things back
633
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:45,520
off and and the the 2000s was a
great a great decade for him.
634
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,320
AI, artificial intelligence,
Minority Report, catch me if you
635
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,240
can, War of the Worlds, Munich,
even in my opinion, Indiana
636
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,760
Jones and the Kingdom of the
Chrysalis school, all great
637
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,840
movies.
I don't the terminal has its
638
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,080
defenders.
I and it has a a decent rating
639
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,880
on like letterbox.
I don't think the tear the
640
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,560
terminal is very good at all.
But but if you do think it's
641
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,840
good, I mean that's a whole
decade of like hits in my
642
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,320
opinion.
It's not like war of the worlds
643
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,040
isn't great or anything and King
of the social school isn't like
644
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,240
phenomenal or by Indiana Jones
standards, but they're still
645
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,840
good movies, I think.
And yeah, really, really strong
646
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,640
decade there.
And I think with Munich, like I
647
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,080
was talking about, you know,
it's it's a sci-fi decade.
648
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,280
I would say with AI, minority
Report, War of the worlds, even
649
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,920
king of the Christmas school has
its sci-fi elements.
650
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,880
And so that's that's fun.
But then with Munich, I think,
651
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,920
like I said earlier, really
kicks off his political drama
652
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,120
decade.
Munich.
653
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,040
I would argue War Horse is in
here as kind of like the
654
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,040
children's version of the
political drama, but the Horse
655
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,600
and Bridge of Spies, Lincoln,
The Post, and if I'm thinking
656
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:09,000
correctly, you've got that from
OK, Munich is 2005 to 2017 with
657
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,640
the Post, so a little over a
decade, but and you've got 1010
658
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,400
and BFG thrown in there and King
of the Crystal Skull as well.
659
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,160
But yeah, a lot political
dramas, he's making his
660
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,080
political points in the 2010's
where from and starting with
661
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Munich even takes his big swings
with mocap.
662
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,560
Not his best choices.
I don't think that, you know,
663
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,600
between 10:10 BFG and Ready
Player 1, you know, a lot of
664
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,120
people really enjoy 1010.
A lot of people really enjoy
665
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,600
BFGI.
Thought both.
666
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,800
I think both of those movies are
fine.
667
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,640
I don't think they're bad, I
think they're fine in movies.
668
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,600
Ray Player 1 I think is a swing
and a miss unfortunately.
669
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,440
But man, to come off of that and
in my opinion, to have your old
670
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,240
man passion projects and make 2
masterpieces I think is
671
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,320
incredible.
I think West Side Story and the
672
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Fablemans are both masterpieces.
They're incredible, they're
673
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080
great.
They're we'll get to might be
674
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640
two of the best of his career,
but I love that.
675
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,120
I love that he and I just I
can't wait to see what he does
676
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,560
with this UFO movie.
It is currently the working
677
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,400
title I think is the dish, which
is an interesting title.
678
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,520
The four actors that I noted
were Emily Blunt, Josh O'Connor,
679
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,000
who I love, Colin Firth and
Coleman Domingo.
680
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,840
So those.
Great names attached to the
681
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,040
movie.
It's a UFO movie.
682
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,760
It's supposed to come out next
year in 2026.
683
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,880
Comic Sign.
Hello again.
684
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686
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Just leave a rating and review
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687
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That might allow for ratings and
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reviews.
These really help the visibility
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button right now and drop the
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OK.
I trust that you went and left
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that rating and review now?
Back to the show, I think over
694
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,040
the court just thinking about
before we get I do my rankings,
695
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,600
just thinking about watching
through these some three of
696
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,440
these movies that I'm going to
label as my biggest surprises
697
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,760
were blind spots.
I knocked out all of my
698
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,520
Spielberg blonde spots with the
blind spots with this, so that's
699
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,280
fine.
One of them I already really,
700
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,640
really liked a whole lot, but
just watching it again, I think
701
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,160
it's a masterpiece and is the
one of the biggest surprises.
702
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Now I'm not going to say it's
the biggest surprise because I
703
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,520
had seen it before and loved it
already ready, but I just think
704
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,640
it's a a modern masterpiece is
West Side Story.
705
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,240
I I just think it's incredible.
I think visually and like the
706
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,080
way he like it's like he was
born to make a musical Spielberg
707
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,120
and love West Side Story.
A couple other like movies that
708
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,000
are really liked, AI, artificial
intelligence.
709
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,920
I wasn't sure what I was going
to think going in.
710
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,840
I think that's a great, great
movie.
711
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,400
Same thing with Empire of the
Sun didn't know what to think
712
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,480
going in but was blown away.
Loved it.
713
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,520
And then I would say my biggest
surprise of the the whole series
714
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
just cause like for one, I
didn't really have any
715
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,360
expectations going in.
Haven't ever heard much about
716
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,520
this movie, but Munich is such
an incredible movie that
717
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,080
captures so much of what
Spielberg does, from the the
718
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,680
political thriller with a
political statement movie to the
719
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,800
action set pieces, to the
tension, to the character
720
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,480
building, to the story, to the
visual language that's so
721
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,160
distinctly Spielberg.
Munich is such a good movie and
722
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,280
it's still from 2005 to today.
It's still very, very relevant
723
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,040
politically.
So really love those big
724
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,320
surprises.
But now it is the moment you've
725
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,560
all been waiting for.
I am going to go through and
726
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,960
give my rankings for Spielberg.
I will start at the bottom and
727
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,240
work my way up.
I'm not going to include like I
728
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,920
have some of his like shorts and
TV movies and stuff included in
729
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,640
here that I'm not going to
include.
730
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,360
I'm just going to do the feature
films and I'm not going to
731
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,880
include, I'll tell you this.
Twilight Zone is second to last
732
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,240
if you if I'm going by like his
sequence in the Twilight Zone
733
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,440
movie.
I did not like his sequence in
734
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
the Twilight Zone movie, but I'm
not going to rank it here.
735
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,920
But if I did, you just already
know it's it would be second to
736
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:12,200
last.
So in last place, I have 1941.
737
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,840
Just not good, not funny to me
at least not just added.
738
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,240
I don't know, not good.
So that is OK.
739
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,200
Let me think.
Let me remove.
740
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,800
Yeah.
All of the like, shorts and
741
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,440
stuff.
And I think it's, I think he's
742
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,680
at 34 feature films, if you
don't include the Twilight Zone,
743
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Twilight Zone, the movie.
So 30 at #34 is 1941 and #33 I
744
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,040
have the terminal.
Yeah.
745
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:53,920
You can go back to that episode
#32 I have always not not great,
746
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:01,200
really weird movie looks great,
but really weird at, let's see,
747
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:11,440
343332 at 31.
I have Ready Player 1 and yeah,
748
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,120
talked about it already.
At #30 I have Hook.
749
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,920
Wasn't a big fan of Hook,
rewatching it with this.
750
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Number 29, The Lost World,
Jurassic Park, kind of a misfire
751
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,120
sequel.
I think at #28 have Amistad, the
752
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,280
movie he should not have
directed but you know, has its
753
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,040
moments.
That's #20 BFG, it's fine.
754
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,000
At #26 The adventures of 10/10
it's fine.
755
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,720
And then 25 I have The Color
Purple, another movie I think he
756
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,400
would have been better not to
direct, but I understand why I
757
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,880
did.
Much more so than amistad #24 I
758
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,120
have War of the Worlds and #23 I
have his debut feature film, The
759
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,720
Sugar Land Express.
Well, unless you count Dual,
760
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,440
which we are going to count in
this because it did did have
761
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,040
some theater run in Europe.
Yeah #23 The Sugar Land Express.
762
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,800
At #22 I have Indiana Jones and
the Temple of Doom, and right
763
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,920
above it, Indiana Jones and the
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
764
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,800
At #21 So let's get into the top
20.
765
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,040
I have War Horse.
At #20 I liked War Horse a lot
766
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,520
more than I thought it would.
At #19 I have Duel.
767
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,800
Great movie and let me go ahead
and preface this from this point
768
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,560
forward, all of these movies, I
have four stars and up even, you
769
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,000
know, so, so like 8 out of 10
Saving Private Ryan is I have at
770
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:59,160
#18 and #17 catch me if you can
#16 I have the post.
771
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,400
This is his 20 tense political
thrillers part right here. 16
772
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,360
The Post 15 Lincoln and 14
Bridge of Spies.
773
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Love all those at #13 I have
Empire of the Sun and #12 don't
774
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,440
hate me.
Raiders of the Lost Ark and #12
775
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,040
I know, I know, I know the
objectively it's it's top five,
776
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,760
but just for me, it's #12
because I love me some sci-fi
777
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,800
and at #11 I have Minority
Report, at #10 I have AI,
778
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,480
artificial intelligence, at #9 I
have close Encounters of the
779
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Third kind, my little sci-fi run
there.
780
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,240
Love all those movies.
At #8 is my favorite Indiana
781
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,120
Jones movie, Indiana Jones and
the Last Crusade.
782
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,040
So I have some good
representation up higher for
783
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Indiana Jones, but I'm just not
like I love the Indiana Jones
784
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,840
franchise, but I'm just not like
the Super fan that has it has a
785
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,200
great greatest of all time sort
of thing.
786
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,320
So that was #8 #7 I have the
Fablemens.
787
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,800
Fablemens is phenomenal at
number six, I have Munich.
788
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,080
So my biggest surprise I have up
at #6 here we are getting into
789
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:27,560
the top five.
These, these are just, these are
790
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,200
my top five Spielberg movies.
So here we go at #5 I have
791
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,280
Jurassic Park childhood, It's
the love.
792
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Jurassic Park at #4 This is the
another huge surprise of how
793
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,840
much I loved it.
I have West Side Story at #4 I
794
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:51,000
think it is phenomenal.
And yeah, it's at #4 for me #3 I
795
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,560
have, and honestly, I I could
move West Side Story up to #3 or
796
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,200
#2 I thought it was that good #3
I have ET the Extraterrestrial,
797
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,240
loved it.
It's so good.
798
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,280
And top 2.
These are both five star
799
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,280
masterpieces.
I think Schindler's List at #2
800
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,360
found it incredibly
entertaining, incredibly moving,
801
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,680
an incredibly important movie.
So maybe a bit cliche, but I
802
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,240
have it at #2 And that means
that my number one film for now
803
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,840
and for always for Spielberg is
Jaws.
804
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,000
Great movie, masterpiece. 5
stars, 10 out of 10.
805
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Jaws Big Shark is taking the
cake.
806
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,960
I mean, could I have really
given it to anybody else?
807
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,080
I mean, because what would that
shark do to me if I didn't?
808
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,680
So that is my ranking of
Spielberg's filmography.
809
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,320
It's it's been fun.
We're done with Spielberg until
810
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,480
he releases the dish next year,
if it's still called that by
811
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,440
then.
But I'll look forward to that.
812
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,960
And yeah, kind of sad to see
Spielberg go, but this is it.
813
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,160
Yeah.
I mean, I've so now I've covered
814
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Wes Anderson, Christopher Nolan
and now Steven Spielberg.
815
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,040
I would say honestly, I probably
like those directors in that
816
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,560
order.
Just like a personal preference,
817
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,680
what you know, the movies that I
love from the directors, I would
818
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,920
say Wes Anderson favorite
Christopher Long, next.
819
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,800
Steven Spielberg next, but
obviously, like Spielberg is the
820
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,960
GOAT, you can't really take that
away from him.
821
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,360
So really glad I did this
series.
822
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,880
I've greatly enjoyed it.
Met some great people that I
823
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,760
brought on as guests through
this series that, you know,
824
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,240
hopefully I'll be able to bring
on again in the future.
825
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,040
But yeah, really, really enjoyed
the series.
826
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:48,680
I am hoping to diversify my
port, My Portfolio of directors
827
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,080
I've covered with the next one,
maybe not a white male director
828
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,080
with the next one.
So we'll see.
829
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,320
Maybe not a big name director
either.
830
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,400
We'll see.
I've been trying to, you know,
831
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,880
cover some directors that maybe
we'll, we'll pull in more people
832
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,400
that are interested.
But hey, maybe it's time for an
833
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,720
ND director.
I don't know, we'll see.
834
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,840
But Speaking of ND directors,
next week I had the privilege of
835
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:23,320
interviewing indie director
Daniel Daniel Moschiari, who has
836
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,120
his debut feature coming out
next.
837
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,920
And so, yeah, it's called
Stationed at Home.
838
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,480
And yeah, it's it's very good.
Daniel and I had a great
839
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,120
conversation about it.
I I was able to interview him
840
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,240
about the film, start the
episode with a quick review of
841
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:40,400
it.
Yeah, yeah.
842
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,200
It was exciting to be able to do
that.
843
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,640
And I hope to be able to do more
interviews with directors in the
844
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,000
future about their films.
And so that is coming out next
845
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,320
week.
And so be looking forward to
846
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,800
that.
But Spielberg, it was it was
847
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,320
good.
It is time for for us though,
848
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,960
like our favorite pal ET to now
go home.
849
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,480
And you know, we'll be right
there with you always,
850
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Spielberg.
So we'll see you when you
851
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,000
release your next film, I guess.
And so, yeah, that's it.
852
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,760
We're done with Spielberg.
Goodbye.
853
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,160
So long.
That's all we have for this
854
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,720
week.
I have been Eli Price.
855
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:23,400
And you've been listening to the
establishing shot.
856
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:32,040
We'll see you next time.
We were happy here for a little
857
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,880
while.
But look, I think it was this
858
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,920
way.
Better to be king for a night
859
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
than smoke for a lifetime.