West Side Story (w/ Jean-Pierre Boudreaux)

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It wasn't closely What's the
secret thing?

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Just got to find something you
love to do and then do it for

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the rest of your life.
I don't want to be a product of

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my environment, I want my
environment to be a product of

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me.
Hello and welcome to The

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Establishing Shot, a podcast
where we do deep dives and two

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directors and their
filmographies.

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I am your host, Eli Price, and
we are here on episode 113 of

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the podcast.
And yeah, we're in Spielberg

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still, but not for long because
this is the second to last as of

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now, Spielberg movie, hopefully
another one coming out next

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year, but as of now, this is the
second to last.

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So we're talking about West Side
Story today.

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I'm really excited to get into
this conversation to join me for

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this conversation is a is our
like honorary, I guess, Co host

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in a way part JP Boudreaux.
And what I wanted to say about

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JP for this episode is that when
he's a jet, he's a jet all the

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way.
That's great.

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I don't even have to add in the
snapping in posts.

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No, no, no.
Yeah, sounded good.

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We're just one step away from
just going full on dance fight,

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you know what I mean?
Yeah, if we, if we break into

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song or you see us doing some
like pirouettes or whatever, you

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know, just roll with it.
Not to not to start singing some

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of the stuff like, yeah,
Spielberg's second to last film,

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you know, just still out there.
Yeah, it's I'm excited to do

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this before we get into West
Side Story, though.

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Yeah, just J PS been on plenty
of times.

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He's he's shared his film, how
he got into film.

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He shared how he got into Wes
Anderson and Christopher Nolan

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and Spielberg.
He's been in all the series.

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So I just wanted JP to kind of
share maybe some projects.

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I know he's is it did your
latest project release like

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between the last episode and now
or was it already out?

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I don't remember because it was
just a few episodes.

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You were on Lincoln with us.
Yeah, probably so.

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I mean, most recently, you know,
I got to kind of put out a

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little documentary in Guatemala
for kind of a family friend of

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my girlfriend who like story of
his grandpa's life, which is

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really fun.
Just being able to do that

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together, I think came out
really great.

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And then I just recently put out
a little video kind of like,

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it's kind of like partly a doc,
partly A vlog kind of style of a

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local MMA fighter who just had
his professional debut.

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Yeah, it was there.
It was good.

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Yeah, I was there on thank you,
man.

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I was there on Fight Night and
that guy, especially Jason, he's

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just man, he's a character.
Like, like I, I really do feel

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like he's, he's got the
personality where like the

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dude's got to go far in this
business if he keeps it up

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because like obviously he's got
like the talent when it comes to

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fighting, but he's just got
that, that personality where you

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just you just know he's going to
be a big deal if he, if he's

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able to make it to, you know,
the UFC, which is like kind of

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the biggest stage for
professional fighting.

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There are apparently a a couple
other like bigger leagues but

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obviously the UFC is like the
one.

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Right, right.
Yeah.

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So that was fun and yeah, should
should be able to be dropping up

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by my documentary from from
Chile pretty soon.

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Just got a couple more little
tweaks to make to it.

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And so when that's out, I will
be blasting that everywhere

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because that's like a a dream
come true project.

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Yeah, yeah, I'll be looking
forward to seeing that one for

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sure.
JJP has like if you if you

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follow him on socials, he's like
he'll post like those projects

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or like you you're on YouTube
too.

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I think is.
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I post, I post

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most updates like on Instagram.
But as far as like, you know, I

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I usually put any project I do
that'll go on like my inhabit

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creative code, like YouTube
channel.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Just kind of have a placeholder.

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For it, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I'll, I'll be looking

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forward to the chill A1 for
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But yeah, other than that, what
have you been?

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Do you have any like
recommendations?

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What have you been watching
recently?

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Yeah, yeah.
I think I'm not sure how like

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delayed the release of this
episode will be, but it'll be a

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few weeks.
Yeah, kind of been a bit of ATV

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show kind of kind of mode
recently.

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And so by the time this episode
airs, you know, the couple of

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shows that I have to recommend
probably be fully available to

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binge.
But I will say recently I

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finally watched the pilot
episode of The X-Files and I'm

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thinking about making that my
new like, I don't really have

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anything else to watch.
I just want to kill some time,

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watch an episode.
But two shows, more recent shows

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I've been watching that I've
been really enjoying that I

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recommend is number one on Apple
TV, Chief of War with Jason

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Marmoa.
So far I've really loved it.

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I love like historical drama.
For any of your listeners, if

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you love Shogun, this is right
up your alley.

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Also super cool.
Like most of the cast is either

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Hawaiian or like Pacific
Islander.

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You see some people in there
like his name escapes me, but is

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it Tamar Tamarison, the guy who
plays like Boba Fett?

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I don't know I'm.
Not, I can't forget how it

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exactly counts his name, but
that guy's in there.

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You got Cliff Curtis, which so
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he's played even though he's
like literally Maori, he's

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literally with a New Zealand
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He's literally played like so
many different like either drug

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cartel leaders or like Middle
Eastern terrorists because he is

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a little ethnically ambiguous,
but he is actually Maori from

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New Zealand.
And so you do have a couple

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other cultures in there.
But what's really cool is that

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so far the majority language
spoken in the show is actually

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native Hawaiian.
So and it's and it's about the

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wars of it's about the Hawaiian
war unification, like kind of in

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like the kind of late, late
1600s, early 1700s somewhere

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around there got you.
Jason Moe is in it and he's he's

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great.
It's not exactly the most

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original character he's ever
played necessarily, but so far

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I've been really enjoying that
show.

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Some really brutal action, just
like the kind of weapons that

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they had and these these native
tribes at the time, but also

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Hawaii, beautiful landscape.
A lot of the landscape shops are

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amazing.
And the cinematography is like

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it's right up there with Shogun
where it's just it's just

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absolutely beautiful.
Really loving that.

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And then kind of on the complete
opposite end of the spectrum, if

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we go from historical drama to
science fiction, I know from

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what I could tell, it's a little
here to miss for people.

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I've been loving Alien Earth.
I it's kind of weird, but like

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in the best way.
And so far I'm having a great

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time with that show.
So yeah.

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And I'm excited to see where it
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I am interested as a fan of the
franchise, just to see how it

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ends.
I'm pretty sure it's going to be

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a limited series because there's
there's a pretty it's kind of

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like the Obi Wan TV show where
it's like there's a pretty

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narrow window where you can
believably tell a story in this

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particular context and not like
ruin the like ruin the

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continuity of the entire
franchise, which I think I've

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heard Noah Hawley, who's behind
the show isn't like didn't

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really care necessarily about
what's Canon, what's not Canon

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per SE.
But still, it's like, OK, but

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you know, if if the the
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at the end of the show, that
would cause some problems

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probably.
But anyway, yeah, for the most

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part, it's been great.
It's it's never been more like

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there's never been more of a
Blade Runner vibe in the Alien

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movie.
Like it's like, you know,

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there's there's it's like Blade
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like there's always been like a
little bit of a little bit of

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secretive fan crossover with
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So there's there's some stuff
like that.

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It kind of feels very familiar.
But dude, it's it's brutal.

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It's it's kind of funny at some
parts.

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I don't really want to spoil
anything.

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I think people should go on
blind.

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But there's some great acting in
the show where characters are

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portraying themselves as a
certain thing and they're doing

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a great job at it.
And yeah, I highly recommend.

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Who's like the main big name
cast it seems.

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Honestly, honestly, it's a lot
of like not well known actors

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which I kind of love.
I thought I remembered seeing

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like some Timothy.
Olyphant is in it a kind of a

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more supporting role he plays.
He plays a a synthetic which is

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an Android in the Union
universe.

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The main character, I can't the
two kind of main characters

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right now is you have the one
character whose name is escaping

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me in the show.
What is the name of the of the

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oldest sister from Peter Pan?
Wendy.

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So the character Wendy is paid
by Sydney Chandler, I believe

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her name is, who is the daughter
of, Oh, gosh, The actor whose

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first name is escaping me,
Chandler, he's in like, King

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Kong.
He was in Godzilla, King of the

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Monster.
Kyle Chandler, that's his name

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he's going to be in.
He's going to.

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Yeah.
So it's to Kyle Chandler's

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daughter.
She's doing great.

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The guy There's a guy who plays
her brother in the show whose

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name escapes me, but he was most
recently in Season 1 of Andor.

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He's the guy who writes.
That.

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Show that.
And, yeah, you haven't watched

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Andor, bro.
Not yet.

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OK, forget everything I just
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Watch Andor, everybody.
Masterpiece, absolute

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masterpiece.
But he's he was in that show and

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he's like her brother.
And so far, yeah, it's it's it's

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violent.
It's kind of crazy.

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Yeah.
You know, I mean, it's like

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xenomorphism, you know about
xenomorphism.

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They're very vicious creatures,
and they've never been more

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vicious than in the show.
But yeah, so far it's been

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great, so I recommend that.
Cool.

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Yeah, I, I haven't heard a a ton
about Alien Earth, but I've seen

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it popping up, you know, here
and there.

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And yeah, I I really love the
the Alien movies, even like the

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bad ones I still kind of enjoy
like like Alien 3.

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Well, here here's here's
something interesting for you.

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I would think that the movie.
I would think that the the film

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this show feels most inspired by
in a way as as far as the vibe,

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I would say is Alien
Resurrection.

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And I mean that as a complete
compliment.

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I mean that in the best way
possible.

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I like Alien Resurrection, OK.
Dude, it's, I don't necessarily

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love the whole Ripley clone
thing, but the overall vibe of

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that movie, I was like, dude,
this is like Alien meets

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Jurassic Park and I kind of love
it actually.

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Like the worst part of Alien
Resurrection is like whoever

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wrote the dialogue for that
movie just needs to never have

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it.
Yeah, just, I don't know it it's

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terrible.
But but yeah, I like, what I

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like about Alien Resurrections
is I like the ideas it's going

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for, even if it doesn't hit
them.

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And so like sometimes with bad
movies, I can see what they're

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trying to do and I probably give
too much grace to them because I

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can see what they were going for
even though they didn't hit it.

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Alien Earth is like the same
kind of weird weird vibe of

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Alien Resurrection but like done
much better with much better

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riding in my opinion.
Gotcha.

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Cool.
Yeah, I I think 3 is the I like

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resurrections a little bit more
than three.

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Oh yeah.
So, but yeah, those are

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definitely the worst too.
The rest of all of the rest of

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them are are good movies.
Like I think I prefer alien over

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aliens very slightly.
It's like aliens, like 4 1/2

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Aliens is A4.
Alien resurrection is like 2 1/2

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three.
And then right, Alien three, I'm

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sorry, is like a 2 1/2 three and
an alien resurrection for me.

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It's like a 3 1/2.
OK, yeah.

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And what about?
A Prometheus.

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Prometheus and Covenant.
I think Prometheus is like a 3

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1/2 or A4.
Covenant I like.

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I'm one of the few people that
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than Prometheus.
I think I prefer Prometheus, but

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I mostly because I think
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much more beautiful if it was
just if it wasn't attached to

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the Alien universe because it
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film, its own original film.
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like, well, let's just make this
a backwards prequel.

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It may be the most like
beautiful, the most beautifully

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shot of all of them.
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Think with the stupidest science
scientist characters of all

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time.
I just that's like the biggest.

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Thing about Romulus is really
good too.

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Oh, Romulus is fantastic.
Yeah, Romulus was great.

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OK, Alien Earth, go watch it.
I, I just don't watch a lot of

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TV and so it just like really
takes a lot of time for me to

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get around to watching shows.
I don't get that.

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Even ones I'm interested in,
but.

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Yeah, I, I totally get that with
the family and everything.

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It's just, it's convenient for
me where I come home from work.

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I just want to sit down and
relax.

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I watch like an episode and
then, yeah, go about the rest of

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my evening.
So that's a.

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Lot of times, a lot of times the
shows I end up watching are when

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I know it's a miniseries and not
like this is going to have like

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several seasons.
Right when I.

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I can go in knowing, OK, I can
start like like devs, I'll watch

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that whenever that came out
'cause I knew it was a

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miniseries.
I'm also a big supporter of,

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like, wait for the show to come
out and then watch it at your

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own pace.
Like, I don't.

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Yeah.
What I really?

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Love was.
The show.

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The show I watched, it's the guy
that did like Hill House

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Haunting at Hill House.
Mike Flanagan with the priest,

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Midnight Mass.
Midnight Mass, that was.

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That show was a masterpiece that
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Knew it was a mini series so I
knew like there's a start and a

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finish.
That is one of my favorite like

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a limited series I've ever seen
in my entire life.

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We honestly dude, if you ever
want to do like an offshoot

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episode just talking about that
literally I will be.

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They might have to.
Because because there is so much

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to talk about with that show.
Masterpiece.

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I loved it.
I I haven't even seen Bligh

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Manor and Hill House but
Midnight Mass I haven't even

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much more of my vibe and that
show was incredible.

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He also did Fall of the House of
Usher.

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I haven't seen that either but
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movie.
Life of Chuck.

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He did.
It's Mike Flanagan.

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He did do Life of Chuck, and I
loved Life of Chuck.

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Did you see it?
I did not.

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I did not, but I've heard I I
have a friend who saw it and

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loved it.
Yeah, I loved it.

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It was, it's just, it's very,
it's like it's very unique in

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several different ways.
But yeah, yeah, we should

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probably jump in to yeah, maybe
we could ramble like this

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forever.
Right now I feel like, I feel

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like, I feel like that was like
our our overture.

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To open up the episode, it's the
overture.

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Yeah.
And now, now we get to, we get

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to the first.
Now it's the.

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Prologue.
The first, The first set piece,

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yeah.
Yeah, this is this is when you

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know, this is the the camera
swinging through demolished set

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snapping begins whistling the
whole like, oh man, so good.

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Oh yeah.
OK, West Side Story, we are

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obviously talking about the 2021
film by Steven Spielberg today,

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but West Side Story originally
opened on Broadway in 1957.

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Book which which I had to look
this up.

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I was like, there was a book,
but it's actually like

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apparently like musicals will
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librettos and they're they're
either called that or they just

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call it the book.
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the story and dialogue.
Like is it like when a a movie

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gets turned into a a
novelization?

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It is that kind of not.
Exactly because the you write,

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you write this like it's kind of
the opposite.

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You write this as like, I didn't
look into it a whole lot, but

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the vibe I got was this is like
the concept.

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So like you write out the story
and and the care, like the care

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about the characters.
Yeah, almost like dialogue.

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It's not the lyrics because
Stephen Sondheim wrote the

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lyrics for the songs, but kind
of like the the story.

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Flavor the play The play aspects
of a musical play.

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Right.
And even like so sort of like

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the screenplay without like the
lyrics of the music.

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So what it well, you see the
research, but it would it be

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like you're leaving those
segments for the musical numbers

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that are supposed to involve?
I don't, I don't know.

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This is beyond my pay grade as
far as like Broadway musicals.

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And come on bro, you ever you
ever never written a musical

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before?
I was, I was focused on

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researching the movie version
and so my research into the

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Broadway play is very minimal.
But but Arthur Lawrence wrote

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the book or basically like he
wrote, you can think of it as he

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wrote the story.
And so, yeah, he wrote the

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story.
I just mentioned Stephen

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Sondheim wrote the lyrics at
like 252627.

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That's how old he was, pretty
young when Leonard Bernstein did

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the music, and it was directed
and choreographed by Jerome

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Robbins.
So those are like the four dudes

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behind West Side Story and
obviously, like, big hit on

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Broadway.
I don't know how I didn't look

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up how many years it ran, but it
was a long time.

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And then just what, four years
later?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then just four years later,

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the film adaptation by Robert
Wise and Jerome Robbins in 1961.

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It won 10 Oscars, which is
crazy.

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And best Picture being 1.
Rita Marino as supporting

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actress as Anita being another
one related to this version

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we're talking about.
But yeah, big deal.

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Let's just say that West Side
Story before we get into the new

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one.
How?

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How long has it been since you
watched the original?

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Because I'm assuming you've
watched the original.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
I thought it was very

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interesting.
I see in your outline here the

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next thing we'll we'll talk
about because sounds like

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Spielberg and I had some very
similar experiences growing up,

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but it's definitely been a
while.

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We we it was one of the DVDs
that we had as a growing up and

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we would definitely watch it.
So I was, I'm very familiar,

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like I have very fond memories
of watching it.

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And I love, I mean, I've always
loved the song America.

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Like just the vibe of it.
Like, oh, yeah.

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I mean, you want to you want to
talk about like, it will get

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into the lyrical content of some
of these songs.

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But like, just to take a moment
right now and talk about like

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just the music that Bernstein
wrote for this musical.

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I mean, it is so very, very
catchy stuff.

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So I have very fond memories of
watching it.

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It it definitely has been some
time since I can't tell you the

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last time I watched the 61
version.

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I did watch the one we're
talking about today, just a

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couple days ago, just to kind of
refresh my memory because I saw

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it when it came out in theaters.
But the 61 version I honestly

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can't tell you.
The last time I saw it, but I do

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know that there are a lot of
differences between that and

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this and I would say most if not
all of those differences from

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what I can think of, I think are
actually beneficial.

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But yeah, yeah and yeah, I did
not grow up with West Side Story

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and so I think I watched it for
the first and only time.

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I've watched it like 5 or 6
years ago and I haven't I

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haven't revisited it.
And hey, I have mixed feelings

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about the original obviously
like the music and the songs I

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really enjoy.
I don't really.

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I think it's more like the some,
some of it is like the acting

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and the casting.
Some of it is just the kind of

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story in general.
It's like the, it's kind of like

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the RJ problem, like you eat,
you either like buy into it or

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you don't sort of thing.
And so, yeah, I, I'm not like a

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huge fan of the original.
And maybe, maybe like if I went

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back and watched it now, I would
probably like appreciate it a

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lot more just coming off of the
high of this version.

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Or maybe it would make me like
it less, but I don't know.

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But yeah, it's just interesting.
I I just wanted to hear.

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Yeah, I think.
I hear you how you kind of came

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into.
Yeah, I think it's definitely

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one of those movies.
You watch it and you're like,

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it's definitely a product of its
time.

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Yeah, Not just in the terms of
casting, but also just like in

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staging and directing, like I
don't think well made.

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Yeah.
But but I think, I do think that

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this, this updated version for
2021, not even just getting into

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like the cast decision, but just
the general presentation, I do

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think is like a very worthy
upgrade.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
So Steven Spielberg, he grew up

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in a very musical home.
His mom was, as we feel like

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we've probably talked about at
some point, was a classical

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pianist before she kind of ended
up at home with the kids.

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But yes.
So he grew up with his mom

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playing classical piano,
listening to classical music at

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the home.
And he said that West Side

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Story, the vinyl record his
parents brought home, and that

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was the first popular music
record in his home.

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And he was 10 years old when
that happened and so.

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That was like his little Wayne
mixtape or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah.
And so he obviously like when

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you have a lot of classical
music and then you have this

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one, the one thing that's
different, he listened to it a

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lot.
He even talked about when he was

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10 or 11 or something, he
started like singing some of the

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lyrics to Officer Krups Krupke,
that song.

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And like, you know, my father's
a bastard and his parents like

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freaked out and like, what's
going on?

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Where where did you hear this?
And he's like, it's that record

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you brought home, you know, so,
and then he even talked about

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when the movie came out, he saw
it in theaters like 5 times.

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And so he has a very strong
relationship to this movie.

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This is like if you go like all
the way back to like Temple of

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Doom, like the opening singing
Temple of Doom or like the the

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music, the dance sequence in
1941, all of those are him.

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Like he's always wanted to make
a musical and he's always had

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like, in the back of his mind,
like, what if I was able to make

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a new West Side Story?
So it's kind of like this is

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kind of like his passion project
in a lot of ways.

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Like the thing he's always
wanted to do but is never like,

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one had like the chance to do
and two, like had the guts to do

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because it, it kind of does take
a lot of guts to redo like a

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classic, especially like a
musical.

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And so, yeah, he, he worked
really hard to get the rights.

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In 2014, Kevin McCollum held the
rights and him and 20th Century

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Fox approached.
He had to do a lot of like

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meetings with Sondheim.
And then Sondheim was at that

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point was the only of the
original 4 creators that were

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still alive.
So met with Sondheim and then

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met with like the states of the
families and really like had to

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earn their trust to do it.
You know, that they, he was

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going to do this, right?
And yeah, they, they eventually,

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he eventually got the rights.
They allowed for change in the

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dialogue, but not for like the
story or lyrics, which they did

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change the dialogue.
He I think Spielberg said they

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only use like 5% of the dialogue
from their original.

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So they, they did a lot of work
there.

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But yeah.
And then?

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Which makes sense because like,
a play is such a different

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format than a film.
Oh, yeah.

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And so like, the kind of things
that you would say and the way

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you you present them in a play,
it won't always translate to a

448
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,440
show, like, because like, you
know, they say like when you're

449
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
doing a play, you're always
trying to project to the

450
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,400
furthest back row.
So you can't have like some of

451
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,960
these more subtle moments where
someone's like, whispering

452
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,000
necessarily.
Yeah, sure to play unless, you

453
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,320
know, at least traditionally
when no one's using microphones

454
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,560
or anything like that.
So it would, it wouldn't make

455
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,680
sense, the combination of that.
But also just wanting to like I,

456
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,680
I, I do think that the movie
really has a good line between

457
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,520
like, like it, it does kind of
still feel like it's like at the

458
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,400
50s, but like the dialogue isn't
like extremely antiquated.

459
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,840
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's
like period.

460
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,200
It still feels period, but like
it has a modern sensibility.

461
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,240
It's like retrofuturistic almost
in a way I guess.

462
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,200
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And so which a lot of that, so

463
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Tony Kushner is who he brought
on as the writer.

464
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960
So he and when he first
approached him, Tony Kushner was

465
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,120
like, I don't know about that,
like redoing West Side Story,

466
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,120
but he eventually came on.
What's funny is it seems like

467
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Tony Kushner is always brought
on to collab with Steven

468
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,160
Spielberg when they're doing
movies that kind of echo the

469
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,520
past into the present.
So you think about like Munich,

470
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,760
Lincoln and then this are all
movies that like are set in the

471
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,920
past, but like kind of really
echo into like present day

472
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,360
moment.
The present day moment issues

473
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,200
that you're facing in the
present, like cultural,

474
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,480
political times that we're in.
All three of those are like very

475
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,000
much so that sort of thing.
So he was the right choice in

476
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,520
that way.
But also he I don't know it, it

477
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,040
seems like Tony Kushner really
like did worked hard to to make

478
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,520
this story flow well.
And so, yeah, I, I think he did

479
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,200
a really good job.
And he talks about he didn't he

480
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,160
basically like they didn't want
this to be like, oh, this is a

481
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,520
remake of the the adaptation,
the film adaptation.

482
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840
This is a new adaptation of the
original material.

483
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,200
And so, and that's kind of, I
mean, I think any time there's

484
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,880
like an another like little
women, like, you know, there's

485
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,600
been so lots of little.
Women, and I mean even even

486
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,600
with.
This you want to start with the

487
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,280
source material you know.
Yeah, I mean, even with this,

488
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,120
it's technically just Roman
Juliet, essentially.

489
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,920
Yeah, in a in a lot of ways, it
it's the foundation of the story

490
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,920
is Romeo and Juliet.
Like the skeleton of the story

491
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,360
is still that.
But yeah, that they they kind of

492
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,920
used Arthur Lawrence's like
libretto or his book of the

493
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320
story as the launching point and
really like melded it together

494
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,240
from there.
And in a lot of ways too, they

495
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,000
kind of and we'll talk about
this when we start like going

496
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200
through like the songs and the
structure of the movie.

497
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,440
But the original adaptation from
61 did some like mixing around

498
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,480
of some of the structure of like
when the songs happen.

499
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,640
This this did in some ways, like
went back to their way

500
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,200
originally was and in other
ways, like like mixed it around

501
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,200
in in ways that the original
didn't.

502
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,600
So it's, it's funny, like they
both adaptations kind of chose

503
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,600
different ways to restructure,
like the songs.

504
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,960
So like the examples I can think
of are in the original stage

505
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,880
play tonight.
I mean, Maria goes right into

506
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,360
tonight, just like it does in
this Spielberg adaptation.

507
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,240
Well, in the original
adaptation, I think they broke

508
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,760
it up with America in the middle
of tonight with Maria and

509
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,440
tonight and then and then the
the cool.

510
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200
And their original adaptation is
just like it is in the stage

511
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,960
play.
It's right after the rumble.

512
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,560
And so it's it.
And it's not like Tony and Riff

513
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320
singing it.
It's it's after Riff has died

514
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,040
and this they move it before the
rumble and it becomes kind of

515
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280
like this.
It's like.

516
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Singing it?
Yeah, singing of.

517
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,000
The old and the new you gotta.
Cool it.

518
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,760
Down right, right.
So those are like some of the

519
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,680
it's it's just interesting to me
how like they kind of mixed the

520
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,640
song structure up in different
ways.

521
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,560
And so yeah, yeah.
So let's let's talk through the

522
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
crew and the cast.
The crew of this movie is

523
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,480
obviously in some ways the
typical wow, I totally typoed

524
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440
one of the names.
I just noticed in some ways is

525
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,800
the typical like Spielberg crew
and obviously in other ways,

526
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,960
like that's not really possible
because you're making a musical.

527
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,480
So we'll hear some familiar
names and some new names, but a

528
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Christy Mccosco Krieger and
Kevin McCollum, who on the

529
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,320
rights at the time produced
produced it along with

530
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Spielberg.
Krieger is his kind of like

531
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920
Amblin producer.
She's producing a lot of the

532
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Amblin stuff, obviously based on
the Broadway show and Arthur

533
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,200
Lawrence book that we've talked
about.

534
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,840
The screenplay is by Tony
Kushner and the DP or

535
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,200
cinematographer Janusz Kaminski.
Of course, I added an extra A in

536
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,800
my notes so it says Kaminski and
the editors are Michael Kahn and

537
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Sarah Brochar.
So this is Michael Kahn's last

538
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,040
movie with Spielberg.
Sarah Brochar has been kind of

539
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360
Co editing with him for the past
few movies.

540
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,680
And I sound is the typical
Spielberg guys with Andy Nelson

541
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,200
and Gary Rydstrom.
But David Newman does some like

542
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160
the new arrangements for this
this adaptation.

543
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,880
And the conductor is Gustavo
Dudamel.

544
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,920
He and he's conducting with the
New York Philharmonic Orchestra.

545
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,040
John Williams, the man himself
advised Spielberg to hire him.

546
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,960
And Dudamel talked about it was
cool to hear him talk about how

547
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,920
at 15 years old he was in some
conducting classes and they

548
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,080
actually were doing some
arrangements of I feel pretty in

549
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,400
his conducting class.
So he has like kind of a, a

550
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,200
close connection to, to the
material.

551
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,240
And then I thought this was
this, This is like after this

552
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,440
was made.
But he did become the musical

553
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680
director of the Paris Opera in
April of 2021.

554
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880
So I threw that in there just to
show this guy's a pretty big

555
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720
deal.
I personally don't know much

556
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,880
about the Paris Opera, but I
have the feeling it's a pretty

557
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,760
big deal.
So.

558
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,360
But yeah, lyrics, of course,
Stephen Sondheim.

559
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,240
And then we have some kind of
people that are helping make the

560
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
the new, the musical aspects
happen.

561
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Jeanine Tesori does the vocal
production.

562
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,760
She's she's huge.
I really enjoyed seeing her.

563
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,560
She's in a lot of the special
features on the Blu-ray.

564
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,520
So I enjoyed hearing from her.
Matthew Rush does the music

565
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760
production.
Matthew Rush Sullivan, I should

566
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,520
say.
And Justin Peck does the

567
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,320
choreography.
Now, I should say he's connected

568
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600
to the New York City Ballet
Company, so he's like a pretty

569
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
big deal too.
But I should say about the

570
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,960
choreography, think in the
credits it also has Jerome

571
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Robbins.
But I think the more accurate

572
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,800
thing would be to say it's based
on their original choreography

573
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,080
from Robbins, because Justin
Peck does a lot of different

574
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,920
stuff with the choreography.
It's not, it is not their

575
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,800
original choreography.
It's inspired by it and based on

576
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,040
it, but it's not their original
choreography.

577
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,360
So I say that just because I
feel like he needs to get like

578
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,640
the credit, like more credit
than he got, I guess, in the

579
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240
actual credits of the movie.
Yeah, so there's some phenomenal

580
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,760
dance choreography in this film
for.

581
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Sure.
Oh, yeah, Yeah.

582
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,600
And we'll, we will certainly
talk about it.

583
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,080
The production designer is Adam
Stockhausen.

584
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Spielberg's been stealing him
from Wes Anderson for a few

585
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,120
movies from here and there and
art direction by Reno D'Angelo.

586
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Costumes were by Paul Tazewell,
who worked on Hamilton.

587
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,000
He did the costumes for
Hamilton.

588
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,440
So another guy that's a big deal
in the the musical world.

589
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,280
And then I meant every once in a
while I'll mention like the

590
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,520
first assistant director or or
assistant directors.

591
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Adam Somner has been Spielberg's
AD for like forever, and I

592
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
always mention his name, but I
don't really talk much about

593
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,800
what he does what what like
first 80s do because it doesn't

594
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,720
really come up much in my
research, but it did this time.

595
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,240
So here's an example because I
know if you've been listening

596
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400
through the series, I know that
you've heard Adam Sommer's name

597
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,679
before.
Here's an example of how big of

598
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,840
a like deal he is for Spielberg
and the production of the movie.

599
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,840
So if you think about the the
kind of quintet version of

600
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,000
tonight where you have it
leading up to the rumble, you

601
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
have all these different aspects
of that song.

602
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,880
You have the Sharks getting
ready, you have The Jets getting

603
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,360
ready.
You have Tony, you know, headed

604
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,040
to meet Maria, you have Maria
headed to meet Tony.

605
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,719
I think you even have like some
Anita stuff thrown in here and

606
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
there.
So you have like 5 different

607
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,960
things going on.
Well, I don't what Adam, one of

608
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,760
the things Adam Somner did is he
said, OK, let's map out the

609
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,120
shooting schedule for this
because they're, they're doing,

610
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000
they're doing all of the this.
It's not split up when they're

611
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,040
shooting this, they're they're
shooting this all, you know,

612
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,159
together.
But they do have to figure out,

613
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,600
OK, when are we shooting this
part of this group singing this

614
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,880
part?
Because at one point, for

615
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
instance, Maria passes The Jets
in the street.

616
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760
So you have to have their paths
crossed and you have to match

617
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,240
the shooting schedule up so that
you have the right people in the

618
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,000
right spot.
There's all it's if it sounds

619
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,880
confusing, it's because it is.
And it takes someone like Adam

620
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,720
Somner, Spielberg's go to 1st AD
to like put that on paper, match

621
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,800
out everything.
It's a big deal.

622
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,880
And I'm sure, I'm sure Adam and
and and Steven have a unique

623
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,640
relationship because we've been
working together for so long.

624
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,720
But yeah, that, you know, having
been on sets, that is typically

625
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,200
the 1st 80s job is to make sure
everything is on schedule.

626
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,960
And like, that's a lot of what
you're doing in prep is, hey,

627
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,440
we're going to have Ansel Igor
for these these these are the

628
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,320
shooting of all of our full
shooting calendar.

629
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,080
These are the days that we have
him.

630
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,320
When do we need to film what
when?

631
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,760
And like you put together what
they call the sides, which is

632
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,120
basically the segments of the
script that you are shooting

633
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,360
that day.
You know, everyone gets a copy

634
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,360
of those.
Like as APA, it's one of your

635
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,920
main jobs.
Just make sure everybody can get

636
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,320
a copy of the sides, which is
like literally just a part of

637
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,640
the script that we're shooting
for that day.

638
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,680
And for instance, if you've ever
seen in a movie or TV show where

639
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
they're showing you like behind
the scenes of something and you

640
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,280
hear somebody go and action,
that's usually the first AD.

641
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,600
Like, they're the ones who yell
action and cut.

642
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
They're the ones who will run
back and forth, the director ask

643
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
if there's any notes, you know,
'cause the director's usually

644
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560
like living in video village,
which sometimes can be very far

645
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,440
away from set.
So yeah, you know it's not with,

646
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,480
right?
Right, right, right.

647
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320
Yeah.
But yeah, the that was just like

648
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,640
a really good example of like
the absolute chaos of a shooting

649
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,480
schedule just thinking about
shooting that sequence.

650
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Which one that casts this size
for sure?

651
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Yeah, a lot of moving parts.
And that's the guy that's making

652
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,080
sure it happens.
And so yeah, he he doesn't get

653
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,800
like a lot of credit, but he is
a big deal for Spielberg and he

654
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,880
never really pops up in the
special features.

655
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
So he just must not be like a in
front of camera.

656
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,320
Kind of, yeah.
He's a real.

657
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,360
He's like Nah behind the scenes
only.

658
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,760
Yeah, and the only other crew I
wanted to mention was Cindy

659
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Tolin, who did the casting.
I thought she deserved a big

660
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,120
shout out for putting this cast
together.

661
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,160
But yes, Speaking of the cast,
this movie took a whole year to

662
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,040
cast, partly because they took a
while to like find some of the

663
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,920
characters and partly because
there's a lot of people to cast

664
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,640
in the movie.
But one of the a few things

665
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,920
before we get into the actual
cast members that I thought was

666
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,480
was cool to point out, the main
thing is that Spielberg was

667
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,640
determined to have all the
sharks be Latinx actors.

668
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,320
And he was very, very focused on
that.

669
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,920
And he was successful that they
had all the sharks were of Latin

670
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,560
origin.
And I was I always appreciate

671
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,520
when people are like intentional
about that, especially like with

672
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,360
the first, with the casting in
the first film, you know,

673
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,320
Natalie Wood is not by any
stretch a Latino woman.

674
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,280
And so, you know, it's just nice
to see people being very

675
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,800
intentional about that sort of
thing.

676
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,600
And then on top of that, out of
the 50 Latino actors, 20 were

677
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,760
new new Ricans, which are Puerto
Rican immigrants to New York.

678
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,840
That's kind of what they the
term they call themselves.

679
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,160
That's cool.
So yeah, I thought that was

680
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,800
really cool.
Another casting fact, Spielberg

681
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,120
did not want any vocal dubbing,
which you have in the the

682
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200
original adaptation as well.
So all the actors had to be able

683
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,240
to sing and on top of that.
I will say a slight benefit of

684
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,280
that is that a lot of these
songs, for most of the quote UN

685
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,800
quote bit parts, they're all
singing together.

686
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,200
So it's like you just have to
sing, you know, I have to sing

687
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,280
well, because when you have like
20 people singing the same

688
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,880
lines, you know, you'll, it all
blends together.

689
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,440
It'll sound all right.
Yeah.

690
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Well, like, yeah.
So what happened with this

691
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,040
movie, though, is 50 of the cast
members are first time, this is

692
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,240
their first time in a film.
And the main reason for that is

693
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,520
because a lot of them are coming
from Broadway.

694
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,800
So they're they're sort of, you
know, Broadway or stage act,

695
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,800
maybe not necessarily even
Broadway, but stage actors that

696
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
are singing on a regular basis.
So that helps.

697
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Right, right, right for sure.
But you'll, but you'll have a

698
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,160
lot of people that aren't used
to being in front of a camera,

699
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,680
too.
So there's some getting used to

700
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,200
there.
Yeah.

701
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,560
Let's talk about the cast
members.

702
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,280
Hansel Elgort, who plays Tony.
Love him.

703
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,960
He so here's the thing the first
time I saw Westside well, let's

704
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,720
get into what we think about him
after I after I give like the

705
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,040
breakdown so he.
Al Gore is the son of an opera

706
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,680
director and a fashion
photographer, so he's kind of

707
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,200
used to both the camera and the,
the music side of things.

708
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,080
In a lot of ways.
He he got his, his, I guess his

709
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,920
breakout would have been Fault
in Our Stars would have been his

710
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,040
kind of like breakout role.
And then I would probably say

711
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,360
the role that showed that he, he
had this sort of movie in him

712
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,000
would have been Baby Driver.
He's doing a lot of like

713
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,360
movement in that movie, like
synchronized movement that kind

714
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,480
of matches well with a musical
style choreography and.

715
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,520
I I, I would maybe even argue
that baby driver was his like

716
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,240
true breakout role.
I mean, I think I I did because

717
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,400
like I for certain.
Thing I had a.

718
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,360
Movie of the Fault in Our Stars,
but I didn't even realize he was

719
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,120
in the movie.
Yeah, well, it was a pretty big

720
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,640
deal for like a certain segment
of audience.

721
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Yeah.
And so, so he, it might not have

722
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,640
been like his breakout for, you
know, all audiences, but for

723
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,760
like, yeah, I, I, it's yeah.
The fault.

724
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,440
I would still say The Fault in
Our Stars was like his breakout

725
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,360
because it was a bit like it was
a pretty big movie for certain

726
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,960
audiences.
But yeah, I did not see that.

727
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,800
That Baby Driver was my first.
Baby driver is my.

728
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,320
Taxing him too.
Yeah, and he's great in it.

729
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

730
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,000
And so, and you definitely get
when you watch that if you watch

731
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,280
this and you go back and watch
that, you can be like, Oh yeah,

732
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,280
he's he kind of has that the
vibe that shows he can be in a

733
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,480
musical.
But the problem was less like

734
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,880
his movement and more his
vocals.

735
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,120
He had he talked about he sent
in tapes to a toe in the casting

736
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,880
director and he sent in tapes of
him singing Maria.

737
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,880
He won't.
He wanted to choose the song he

738
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,480
felt like was the hardest of
Tony's songs to sing.

739
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,960
And so she the first times he
was sending tapes in, she would

740
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560
send back a message to him
saying, I'm not showing this to

741
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Spielberg, but keep trying.
So obviously his first tapes

742
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,560
were not good enough, but he did
like vocal coaching for several

743
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,760
months, I think.
And yeah, he came.

744
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,880
The funny thing is he came in
and he had a sinus infection,

745
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,560
but he did his audition anyway
and Spielberg found out he had a

746
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,680
sinus infection and had him come
back in once he was better to do

747
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,120
another audition.
And that's when he finally got

748
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,400
the part.
So it wasn't easygoing for Ansel

749
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,240
Elgort to get this role.
Yeah.

750
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,360
So I should.
This is an interesting

751
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,760
discussion because most people
when you when you go and like

752
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,160
read critics or God, just hear
the the general buzz around the

753
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,040
movie when it came out was that
Ansel Elgort was like the weak

754
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,280
point of the movie.
There is also some personal

755
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
controversy.
There is that too.

756
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,080
Which and and we can we can
mention that.

757
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,640
When I was looking at like when
I was going to like kind of make

758
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,240
a new review on Letterbox, a
couple of the people I follow

759
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,040
who watched it, you could see
the date was right around when

760
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200
the movie came out.
And quite a few of them were

761
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,360
like saying some things that
about about Ansel Igor and how

762
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,160
he should have been recast.
You shouldn't even put them in

763
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,960
this movie.
And, you know, yeah, we don't

764
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040
necessarily have to like get
into the details because it it's

765
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,320
that particular instance feels
like a very, like he said, she

766
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,760
said.
And like, I don't really know if

767
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,680
it's ever been said for sure,
like what the actual situation

768
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,520
was.
But I mean, obviously I I always

769
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,800
want the the best for for out of
a situation like that.

770
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,800
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean.

771
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,160
He yeah, just to say he was, he
was accused of sexual assault.

772
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,000
So in June of 20, we're kind of
jumping ahead a little bit, but

773
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,360
he, the movie was set to release
originally in December of 2020

774
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,920
and it got pushed back a whole
year because of COVID, basically

775
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,240
the release.
But in June of 2020 is when he

776
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,680
got accused of sexual assault.
They were like, I want to say

777
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,280
there was some text messages
that got put out like on social

778
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,120
media and stuff that that didn't
look good.

779
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,480
And he I don't think from from
what I know, he never like he

780
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
always denied the charges.
And so I I didn't.

781
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,240
It wasn't like I don't, I don't
believe he was brought up on

782
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,120
criminal charges.
It was.

783
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,960
It was.
Allegations from allegations is

784
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,920
a better the right word.
But yeah, but basically like at

785
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,160
that point, June, you're talking
June 2020, they, I mean, they

786
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,560
had shot the movie and edited it
like the movie was done.

787
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,800
Yeah.
And this is not only is this

788
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,600
like a big production movie,
it's a musical.

789
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,720
And so even if like it came out
and it was like true, he had

790
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,480
like criminal charges.
It's kind of like you can't

791
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,160
recast him now.
Like the movie's made.

792
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,080
You would have to start from
scratch and and redo redo all of

793
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,600
his.
Scott, I guess I don't know.

794
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Yeah.
And you want to reshoot a movie

795
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,600
in like 16 days?
Yeah, Well, I don't think

796
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Spielberg is Ridley Scott, so I
don't know.

797
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,840
There's there's there's certain
things like that where it's kind

798
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,320
of like, OK, you can't, you
can't really like put this on

799
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,720
the movie and read this into the
movie.

800
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,880
They obviously like didn't know
this was this stuff was going on

801
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,840
when they cast him when they
were on set.

802
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,160
Like if there was stuff going on
on set, you would hope that it

803
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:07,040
would be addressed.
You know, it it just, yeah, it

804
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,640
just was it.
You can't put that on a movie

805
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,800
and and and critique it based on
something that has nothing to do

806
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,400
with the movie.
It's a very like damned if you

807
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,280
do, damned if you don't kind of
situation.

808
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Yeah, right.
I mean, you can say it's just

809
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,920
kind of one of those you in
certain ways you have to

810
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,400
separate like the art from the
artist.

811
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,040
And in this case, it's like,
it's not even really like the

812
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,720
artist.
It's just like one piece of yeah

813
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,040
of the of the whole so.
And I think for the most part,

814
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,560
it's interesting that people say
he's the weak point of this

815
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,440
movie outside of that whole
situation.

816
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,640
I think for me, and maybe it's
just the goodwill that he built

817
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,320
with me as a viewer and Baby
Driver and also thinking that I

818
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,800
saw him in like Tokyo Vice,
which he's been in most recently

819
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,120
on HBO.
And he's really good in that

820
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,400
show.
Like I think he's a, he's a

821
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,160
pretty solid actor.
And so, yeah, it's interesting

822
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,240
to hear that he's a weak point
in this movie for some people's

823
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,160
perspective, because personally,
I, I think he's very charming

824
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,000
and likable in this film.
He's got like those kind of

825
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,520
boyish good looks vibes.
He seems like the guy that a

826
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,680
girl could fall into the instant
they meet her, essentially.

827
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Like that's the vibe he gives
off.

828
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,400
And I agree, I think my theory
is that it's not necessarily an

829
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,080
Ansel Elgort problem, it's a
Romeo problem.

830
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,000
It's the character of Romeo.
Yes, yeah, I can.

831
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,440
I can understand that
completely.

832
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,920
And I think like no matter who
you put it can be Leonardo

833
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,040
DiCaprio, it can be Ansel
Elgort, like whoever you put put

834
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,400
in the character of Romeo, he's
just like a hard character to

835
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:54,280
really like buy into it comes.
Off as too arrogant or too

836
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,840
immature like it's.
Yeah.

837
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,240
You know, it is, I mean, he
feels like a character that was

838
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:04,560
written in the 1600s because he
is, you know, like, and so if

839
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,840
you're, if you're basing your,
if the spine of your project of

840
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,120
your story is kind of inspired
by that kind of character, then

841
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,320
yeah, I totally agree.
I do.

842
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,120
I do think it is more so a a
Romeo problem because the

843
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,800
character itself has a very
limited.

844
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,000
He's just, he's got a he's in a
plot point more than a

845
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,160
character.
He's not very dynamic as a

846
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:33,240
character now, I would say like
they give him, they, they do

847
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,960
their best to give him at least
like a back story that shows

848
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,320
some dynamics.
Even if you don't see those

849
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,640
dynamic play out on screen,
there's at least like a back

850
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,160
story that you can kind of like
fill in the blanks in your head.

851
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,160
And I think that is, it's just
to me, it's a question of can

852
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,520
you do that in your head while
you're watching the movie so

853
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,120
that you can like buy into it?
Because I was talking to, I

854
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,320
watched it with Robin, my wife,
and she was just like, I don't

855
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,680
buy him as like the tough guy.
She's like, I can buy that he

856
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,320
like loves her, but I have a
hard time buying that he's like

857
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,880
the tough guy.
And what I told her was like

858
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,720
this time when I watched it,
because I had the same problem

859
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,520
the first time, because I went
back and read my review from

860
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
back then and I was like, oh, I,
I had that same problem back

861
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,000
then.
I think this time I was able to

862
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,960
like read the back story into
things.

863
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,600
OK, he's been to prison.
He's like, he like legitimately

864
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,880
100% wants to be a different
person.

865
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,760
And so he's, he's kind of, he
has, he's has.

866
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,240
This cleaned himself up.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

867
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,520
He's had this off moment, off
off moment.

868
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,560
He's had this off camera
epiphany before the movie

869
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,480
started that you don't get to
see.

870
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,560
But if you can like feel that in
in your mind while you watch it,

871
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,680
it makes sense.
But to be fair, if you can't

872
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,520
feel that in your mind, it's not
really on the viewer to have to

873
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,880
do that necessarily.
So I do understand the critique.

874
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,560
It's just a matter of it's kind
of a subjective thing of if you

875
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,520
can or are willing to fill in
those blanks for the character

876
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,800
in your mind.
I was this time around and so I

877
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,640
didn't really have those
problems, but it is it is a

878
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,560
understandable critique to me.
I think he looks more believable

879
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,800
as a tough guy than Mike Face or
Feist or however you say his

880
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,320
last name.
Personally, but yeah, I think

881
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,200
they're different.
They're different.

882
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Yeah, they have like the tough
thing in different ways.

883
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,000
But yeah, I mean, we can talk,
we can jump, you know, jump into

884
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,440
Mike Feist as Riff.
He actually auditioned for Tony

885
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,720
at 1st and then he got called
back to audition for Riff.

886
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Which I think was the right
call, I think.

887
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,200
I think so, too.
He's a great riff.

888
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,400
He looks like a riff.
Like he looks like a guy named

889
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,280
Riff.
Yeah.

890
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,320
He just does.
He's he's phenomenal.

891
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,520
He is, to me, like 1 of the
really strong points of the

892
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,680
movie.
I think what's what feels

893
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,000
dangerous about Riff is he's
kind of, he feels more

894
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,920
unpredictable.
He's kind of got that like wiry,

895
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,440
scrappy, unpredictable, and then
he's.

896
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Like he's like a wire haired
dachshund.

897
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,360
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, just ready.

898
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,040
Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah.

899
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,000
And and the other thing that
feels dangerous about him is he

900
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,400
feels more insecure than Tony.
Like he's they don't really like

901
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,400
overemphasize this in the story
for this movie.

902
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,640
But I think there is a bit of
like, I don't know if I can lead

903
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,240
The Jets like you led The Jets
kind of thing going on with Rif

904
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,920
like this insecurity.
And sometimes those those sorts

905
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,000
of insecurities make you even
more like dangerous and more

906
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,440
like likely to lash out.
And so he has that kind of

907
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,800
energy and that he kind of
carries through the booty to me,

908
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:10,400
which is not easy to do.
It's it speaks a lot to like how

909
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,280
good Mike Feist is in the movie.
Yeah, yeah.

910
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Apparently he doesn't really do
like, act like he's he was never

911
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,600
like I.
Think the only thing he spit in

912
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,720
recently was his.
Challengers.

913
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Yeah.
Oh, he was in the bike riders

914
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,080
too.
I forget that.

915
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,320
There was a while where he kind
of went off the grid, though.

916
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,800
And so he is.
He's phenomenal in Challengers.

917
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,240
Him and Josh O'Connor.
Have you seen Challengers?

918
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,920
But you've got to watch it, it's
so good.

919
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,200
But we don't have to follow that
Bunny trail.

920
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,160
But just when you get the
chance, watch Challengers.

921
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,320
It's very, very good.
But yeah, I think Mike Feist is

922
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,360
one of the strong points of the
movie for sure.

923
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,320
He he's he's a product of like
Broadway.

924
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,520
He was, did he, I know he was
Tony nominated for Dear Evan

925
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,240
Hansen, but it's I can't
remember if he won the Tony for

926
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,800
it or not, but he was at least
Tony nominated.

927
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,680
So a talented dude.
Yeah, He, he's great.

928
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:20,640
And then going back to Maria,
Rachel Zegler, you know, think

929
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,400
whatever you want about Rachel
Zegler.

930
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,200
She's she's like.
She has, interestingly enough,

931
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,440
has had her own string of
controversy in recent years.

932
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,840
Yeah, a little less like a
little more just like

933
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,640
personality based than than
anything like bad.

934
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,960
But she this and this movie.
So when she was cast, I think

935
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,000
she was 17.
By the time they were filming,

936
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,720
she was 18.
It's her first ever film.

937
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,360
Kind of a a girl that grew up
like performing.

938
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,840
She had actually just played
Maria on stage for a few

939
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,240
performances when she was 16 in
New Jersey, where she was from.

940
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,040
And Spielberg said she was on
the first day of casting, she

941
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,920
auditioned and blew him away.
But then they they went through

942
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,880
like, hundreds of more girls
from Maria, and they ended up

943
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,360
going back to her.
Tesori, the the vocal producer,

944
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,320
said she had never been in a
recording session before when

945
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,240
she started with her.
Just very inexperienced in a lot

946
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,920
of ways.
And she's like, she might be the

947
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,200
best performance of the movie.
Oh yeah, she's incredible.

948
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Yeah, I'll say putting the whole
Snow White thing aside, she's

949
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,800
very likable in this movie.
I will give her that.

950
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
She's incredibly likable in this
movie.

951
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,920
She just really envelops that
like kind of like sweet

952
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,880
innocence of a character like
Juliet slash slash Maria young

953
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,640
love.
Exactly.

954
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,120
Also huge props to her.
And I think a lot of the the

955
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,520
kind of Latino side of the cast
that don't naturally have a, you

956
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,640
know, cultural accent.
Like she's not only is she

957
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,440
speaking with a pretty heavy
Puerto Rican accent in a lot of

958
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,400
scenes because she's kind of a
little a little kind of more

959
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
fresh off the boat, so to speak,
when it comes to getting into

960
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,560
New York.
But she's like singing with that

961
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,640
same accent, which I can't even
imagine how much more difficult

962
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,840
that is when it's not your
normal kind of diction, so to

963
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,000
speak.
Yeah, yeah.

964
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,120
Incredible.
She's she like, is throwing out

965
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,120
so much like energy that I think
I remember who played.

966
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,280
Who's the guy that plays Chino?
Joshua Rivera.

967
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:47,040
He talked about how in that
finale scene, like he wasn't

968
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,200
even really acting anymore per
SE.

969
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,120
He was just like feeding off of
like the crazy energy she was

970
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,600
putting off.
And so like, like the he was

971
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,880
saying like the look that you
see, like in my face is just me

972
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,080
reacting to her.
Like legitimately she's.

973
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,720
I'm not even like acting.
The ending scene is so powerful,

974
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,280
she's great.
Yeah, so, and I'm going to say

975
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,280
more about how good I think she
is later when we start talking

976
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,680
about like the songs and the
plotting and all that.

977
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,640
But yeah, can't can't say enough
about how good Zeklar is.

978
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,440
I didn't see Snow White, but I
did see a few scenes and from

979
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,400
what I can tell she's fine.
And Snow White, like it seems

980
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
like she's not the problem with
the movie.

981
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,160
It's other other casting choices
and just the general, the

982
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,360
general like Reap live action
remake of it all.

983
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,640
She sounds great.
Like if you listen to the

984
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,120
soundtrack or go watch, you
know, some scenes of her

985
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,280
singing, she's still like, is an
incredible vocalist.

986
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,040
Or even like the bow to songbird
snakes, which I I still haven't

987
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,640
seen, but I've seen a couple
claps of her in that movie again

988
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,400
singing in an accent that is not
her own because I think her

989
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,640
character's got like a southern
drawl in that movie.

990
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,760
So.
There you go.

991
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,680
Very interesting.
Yeah.

992
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,400
But like that, I guess like this
is just me thinking off the top

993
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,160
of my head, but people that can
that are like great vocalists

994
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:20,200
probably have a better like a
better palette for being able to

995
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
like do different things with
their voices.

996
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Yeah, probably so.
I don't know if that's true, but

997
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,480
the hypothesis makes sense in my
head.

998
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Yeah.
Moving on down the cast, Ariana

999
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,840
Dubose plays Anita.
She dad was Puerto Rican, so she

1000
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,480
she talked about like connecting
to her roots with this role.

1001
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,160
She is also a product of stage
plays and Broadway.

1002
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,800
So that's kind of her her
background coming into this

1003
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,840
movie as well.
She's great.

1004
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,760
She's so good, she won an Oscar.
I honestly can't think of a

1005
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680
single person that is not good
in their role in this movie.

1006
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,920
So I think I mean, if you said
perhaps the casting director,

1007
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,400
they really did it.
For sure she is.

1008
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,880
She was in Hamilton.
Do you know what she is in

1009
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,400
Hamilton?
This is a a pop quiz.

1010
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,080
Is she just like a part of the
chorus in Hamilton?

1011
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Sort of, but she's something
specific.

1012
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,360
She is the bullet in Hamilton.
But anytime.

1013
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Yeah, Yeah.
So when you see the person, like

1014
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,880
going across with the bullet,
that's her.

1015
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Yeah.
You.

1016
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,960
Noticed that.
So she was a bullet in Hamilton

1017
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,920
and she's a bullet with her
acting in this movie, I think.

1018
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,520
Yeah, she's she's great in in
the mood.

1019
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,200
I mean, everyone's great.
David Alvarez plays Bernardo.

1020
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,800
He's great.
He seems like he's just like a

1021
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,920
really fun guy from watching him
and like the special features.

1022
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Dude, I think my favorite part
from Bernardo is in the very

1023
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,560
beginning when the detective
calls everybody Muchacho and

1024
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,040
then he goes well it seems to be
Muchacho.

1025
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,640
He just like kind of mocking him
back with his the guy's like

1026
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,200
just murdering the Spanish
language and he's just hitting

1027
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,400
him back.
But that's I don't know.

1028
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,040
He's he's got a great kind of
like like a like a like AI mean

1029
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,480
he's a boxer, like he's kind of
his back story.

1030
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,840
He's got.
So he's got like this kind of

1031
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,160
like almost like Pitbull like
energy in this movie.

1032
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,760
It's like he just like ready to
go at any at any moment.

1033
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,240
Yeah, and he does really good
too, like switching back and

1034
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,200
forth really fast between like,
playful and like intimidating.

1035
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Like he has this kind of like
this boiling like anger,

1036
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,360
intimidating anger that kind of
pops out.

1037
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,960
But when it's not like he, he
plays like playful and and fun

1038
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,640
really well too.
Yeah.

1039
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Yeah.
The other like big role I think

1040
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,680
is Rita Moreno as Valentina.
So I I already mentioned it, I

1041
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,600
think, but Rita Moreno played
Anita in the 61 adaptation and I

1042
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,440
believe she won the Oscar for
supporting actress for that

1043
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,120
role.
So that's 2 Anita's winning

1044
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,400
supporting actress now.
But yeah, it was.

1045
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,440
Actually could argue Anita gets
the most to do in the play in a

1046
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,400
way.
Like as far as like performance

1047
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,080
wise, because of just the our
character goes through.

1048
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,560
Yeah.
And you know, like we said, like

1049
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,000
you have Tony and Maria are kind
of like the Romeo and Juliet,

1050
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,360
like stand insurance and so they
those characters.

1051
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,000
They're kind of lost in.
To what they're going to do,

1052
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,600
those characters just are what
they are, and kind of like in

1053
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Romeo and Juliet, the some of
the side characters are a little

1054
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,640
bit more interesting.
Exactly, Yeah.

1055
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,440
And so, yeah, and so that that
holds up with with Anita too, I

1056
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,440
think.
And but yeah, Marita Val.

1057
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,720
So Valentina, who Moreno plays
was not in the original material

1058
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,400
or the adaptation.
That character was Doc, who

1059
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,600
owned the shop, and it was
actually Tony Kushner's husband,

1060
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Mark Harris.
His idea to kind of take the dot

1061
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,960
character out and put in the
Puerto Rican woman in that role,

1062
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,760
that kind of out of that idea of
having like Doc and Valentino

1063
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,760
were like a mixed couple
interracial couple.

1064
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,800
And so, yeah, that was that was
his idea and it works really

1065
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,480
well, I think.
And then like, on top of that,

1066
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,600
coming up with that idea and
then bringing Rita Moreno back

1067
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,440
in, you know, theater is a very
like, it's all about legacy.

1068
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,680
And so to be able to like bring
her back for something like that

1069
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,040
is just like perfect.
And then on top of that, like

1070
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,160
she's a real New York Rican.
She moved from Puerto Rico to

1071
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,760
New York when she was 5.
So she just has that, that

1072
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,640
background, like just huge.
And then she, she just brings

1073
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,560
like incredible energy on set.
Like, anytime she pops up in the

1074
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,920
special features, I'm just like,
I'll give me more of her

1075
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,520
because, I mean, at this point,
she's over 80 years old and she

1076
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,840
just somehow like, has so much
like positive energy that she

1077
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,440
brings.
Really, really incredible.

1078
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,760
But yeah, we'll, we'll
definitely dive more into her

1079
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,000
later.
I'll mention a few others.

1080
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,000
You have Brian to RC James
playing Officer Krupke, Corey

1081
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,920
Stahl playing Lieutenant Shrank
and Josh Rivera playing Chino.

1082
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,560
Those are kind of like a few
other characters that have a

1083
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,400
little bit more to do.
Should I run through all the

1084
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,040
Sharks and Jets?
There's a lot of names here.

1085
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:45,120
I should definitely go ahead.
I mean, it's your show, but we

1086
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,600
we got, we got a lot to get
through.

1087
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,840
I'll mention a few people.
So Iris Muniz plays Antibodies,

1088
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,880
who was kind of had the more
like tomboyish feel in their

1089
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,240
original apparently.
Apparently when he wrote the

1090
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,800
original, his idea was to have a
trans person.

1091
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,400
But just the way you did that
back then I think was just like

1092
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,800
tomboy.
And so Iris Menace is actually a

1093
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,880
trans person that plays in this
role.

1094
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,440
So another example of like
actually casting someone to play

1095
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,440
the sort of character you're
casting.

1096
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,200
So I thought I would point that
out.

1097
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,040
There's not really any other big
names or big things to point out

1098
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,000
with the rest of the the cast.
Yeah, you can go look it up.

1099
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,800
There's the best way to look it
up is like there's the fan wiki

1100
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,320
for this.
And if you want to like see the

1101
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,240
breakdown of like who all are
the Sharks, who all are The

1102
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,400
Jets, That's the easiest way to
like see the casting breakdown.

1103
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,840
But they're all really great.
The Jets get a little bit more

1104
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,640
to do than the Sharks do.
I think they did.

1105
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,000
They tried to do a little bit
more balancing with this

1106
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,880
adaptation from the original,
but it's still like leans toward

1107
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,920
the jet side of things.
I mean, you get you get America

1108
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,000
and then you get G Officer
Krupke.

1109
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:12,520
But I think just in general, you
get a little bit more leaning

1110
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,200
toward The Jets as far as like
the amount of material you have

1111
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,360
to work with, the amount of like
connection you have with the

1112
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,400
characters.
Yeah, I don't.

1113
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,680
Did you, did you kind of feel
that as well?

1114
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,480
I mean, maybe a little bit, and
I think it's just because of the

1115
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,000
nature of the story.
Yeah, because it is.

1116
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,320
So it is so kind of built around
Tony, right?

1117
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,640
And like Maria's not involved
with the with the sharks, but

1118
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,080
Tony's is the former leader
slash Co leader of the jet.

1119
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,680
So it does kind of makes sense
that it leans a little bit more

1120
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,600
on his side because part of the
story is him trying to prevent

1121
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,120
the rumble from happening and
things like that.

1122
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,840
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and, and like, you just

1123
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,800
don't have like you don't have a
cool song for the Sharks or you

1124
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,800
don't have like a Jet, like the
opening Jets number for the

1125
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,320
Sharks and.
It's also one of those things

1126
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,920
like you got to pick your
battles like you can't do if you

1127
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,840
do each side completely equally.
I don't think it would.

1128
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,240
It would be well.
So you got to kind of write, you

1129
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,520
got to find the story a little
bit more through one side or the

1130
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,800
other.
Yeah, yeah, you do.

1131
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,920
One of the things they did add,
which I thought was really cool,

1132
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,800
was actually the first thing
that sung in the movie is La Bar

1133
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,840
in Kenya, which is a Puerto
Rican like rebel anthem.

1134
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,880
And so that was the first thing.
So I thought I do think that was

1135
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,720
cool.
And that was like a powerful

1136
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,920
moment, you know, with them all
raising their arms and, and

1137
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,200
singing that, that anthem.
And the anthem is like all about

1138
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,200
like freedom and claiming
freedom and rights.

1139
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,400
So it, you know, it works
because they've, a lot of the

1140
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,800
Puerto Ricans came to New York
because they were, their freedom

1141
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,600
and rights were being taken away
there.

1142
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,680
And they come here and they're
still having to fight for their

1143
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,440
freedom and rights.
So there's a lot of like,

1144
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,480
there's a lot of like, I don't
know, just powerful thematic

1145
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,960
stuff going on with that.
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1146
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:16,120
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Yeah, Let's talk about the

1159
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,640
production.
There was the same amount of

1160
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,080
time put into rehearsal as there
was into the filming.

1161
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,920
Spielberg talked about this is
the most like rehearsed thing

1162
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,240
he's ever done, which I guess is
kind of like, yeah, of course,

1163
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,840
but yeah, 4 to it's like 4 1/2
ish months of rehearsal and prep

1164
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,200
that they did.
So that includes like

1165
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:27,480
choreography, orchestration,
vocal coaching, doing the vocal

1166
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,760
session, recording sessions,
dialect coaching.

1167
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,600
All of that stuff is like 4 to 5
months worth of work.

1168
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,200
And then they did as they got
like closer to filming, they did

1169
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,880
about 3 weeks of pre recording
for vocals.

1170
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:47,840
So about I think I don't know
what percentage was shot and

1171
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,640
recorded live, but they did
shoot and record some of the

1172
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,320
songs live.
So some of the more like

1173
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,680
intimate songs.
So I think the ones I remember

1174
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,680
Spielberg saying are somewhere
was was filmed a lot, filmed and

1175
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,640
recorded live.
A boy like that, I think I think

1176
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,480
it's a boy like that slash the
love I have or something.

1177
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,920
What is it called thing ever
right now.

1178
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,960
Yeah, I have a love that I think
that was recorded and filmed

1179
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,240
alive.
One Hand, One Heart was recorded

1180
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,800
and filmed live and then about
75% of tonight was, he said.

1181
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,880
Like anytime there's like wide
shots in tonight, it's it's

1182
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,920
playback, which is a term that
just means it's they pre

1183
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,279
recorded it and they're playing
it back while they record the

1184
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,279
while they film it.
So yeah, so they did live.

1185
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,800
Lip syncing essentially.
Right, exactly.

1186
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,600
And the way they do that is the
actors will wear earpieces in

1187
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,520
their ears that's playing back
the song as they film.

1188
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
So I thought that was cool.
But yeah, so I thought it was

1189
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,439
cool that they did like whenever
they possibly could, they did do

1190
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,960
some like live recording for the
for the vocals, but but they did

1191
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,960
a bunch of prerecording
beforehand.

1192
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:14,600
So, yeah, I the cool thing about
that is by the time it when you

1193
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,600
have a film where you have so
many characters like interacting

1194
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,000
and they have to bring this like
energy of camaraderie on screen,

1195
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:26,520
you've been working and like
being around these people for

1196
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,720
like long days and long hours
for almost half a year, you

1197
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,240
know?
And so by the time you're

1198
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,359
filming, like you don't have to
act like you love these guys

1199
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,240
anymore.
You're just, you've been hanging

1200
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,439
out with them for five months,
so.

1201
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,319
Yeah, it just comes naturally.
Just for reference, you know,

1202
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,319
most, most movie productions,
like a like a film production is

1203
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,479
usually going to be one to three
months and you're, and so if

1204
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,000
it's a one month, you're maybe
doing like a week of prep.

1205
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,640
And that's mostly just like
scheduling stuff, you know,

1206
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,400
maybe, maybe a little bit of
stunt work.

1207
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,040
ATV show is like 6 months.
So they they're, they're prep,

1208
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,520
just the prep work was almost as
long as a full TV shows

1209
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,600
production.
So, yeah, so by the and like,

1210
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,760
and even in, you know, a couple
of months working with people, I

1211
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,240
mean they become, you know, I
mean, I, I, I still have some

1212
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,640
people that are really good
friends of mine that I've met

1213
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,520
through through some sets that I
worked on.

1214
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,880
So you really especially, you
know, depending on your role,

1215
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,520
like working with second team,
which is the stand insurance

1216
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,400
anytime they're trying to set up
a new camera shot, you know,

1217
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,280
these people who they kind of
match the height and build of

1218
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,720
the actors.
So the actors don't have to just

1219
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,240
stand around waiting for the
cameras to be reset because

1220
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,800
sometimes you can literally take
hours to get everything right.

1221
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,840
And so especially those people,
we spend a lot of time if we're

1222
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,080
on stage, we're just kind of
hanging out somewhere off camera

1223
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,640
waiting for them to be called.
And you know, you get to talk

1224
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,040
and you get to get no people.
You're there for 12:13, 14-15

1225
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,200
hours a day, five days a week
for a month or two straight.

1226
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,520
I mean you get you get pretty
close.

1227
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,720
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

1228
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,440
And so I I did love that yeah.
Then they they get into filming,

1229
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:13,080
they do they film from July 1st
to September 27th and 2019 a

1230
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,960
long time between finishing
filming and it releasing thanks

1231
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:22,720
to to our good friend Mr. COVID.
But yeah, they so location wise,

1232
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,680
Stockhausen really like honed in
on New York.

1233
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,000
Like this is a very New York
movie.

1234
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,560
You want it to look like New
York and but it's also period.

1235
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,920
So you kind of have to like find
stuff that looks like the period

1236
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,840
New York.
So they did do some like on

1237
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,720
location stuff.
So they filmed the first thing

1238
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,240
they shot was the cool sequence
and they shot that at Bush

1239
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,280
Terminal, Pierce Park in
Brooklyn.

1240
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,400
And that set is incredible.
I think looks really great.

1241
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,760
A lot of like fun stuff to like
move around and hang on.

1242
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,800
I I think one thing that did
stick out to me about that scene

1243
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,360
is at the very end and I and I
never noticed it when I saw in

1244
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,600
the theater, obviously, but
watching it kind of on the same

1245
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,560
monastery I'm looking at you at
now here at home.

1246
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,440
When I rewatched it recently,
something that stuck out to me

1247
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,320
and I couldn't Unsee it is at
the end of that sequence when

1248
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,160
they've kind of wrestled over
the gun and Riff has it back and

1249
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,880
they're all going bang, bang,
you know.

1250
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,120
Yeah.
Like I was looking at how they

1251
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,640
were standing on what was
supposed to be like a brick like

1252
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,920
road.
And I'm looking into something.

1253
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,600
I don't know what it was about
it that caught my eye, but I'm

1254
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,080
looking.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's

1255
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,400
like a flat flooring that just
has a print of like a brick

1256
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,320
walkway on it.
And it's very obvious because of

1257
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,680
the way it looks and the way the
light is hitting it.

1258
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,520
It's very obvious.
It's like a completely flat,

1259
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,120
smooth surface, which makes
sense because they they were

1260
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,520
just doing their dancing on it.
Like you don't want to trip, but

1261
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,960
but it was something that like,
I don't know how what about it

1262
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:03,240
caught my eye but stuck out to
me and I couldn't Unsee it once

1263
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,560
I saw that.
So it just goes to show you that

1264
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,320
the movie trickery is is I
didn't even.

1265
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,440
It's very interesting.
Yeah.

1266
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,360
Now you have to go back a little
bit.

1267
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,360
I'm telling you, I know, but
it's.

1268
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,160
Crazy.
And like I have, I have a

1269
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:22,040
Blu-ray player, but I have the
disc I bought has the 4K2, but I

1270
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,120
don't have a 4K player.
So now I'm going to have to go

1271
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,960
buy a 4K player and rewatch that
scene.

1272
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,640
But yeah, they do all like other
location shooting.

1273
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,760
They do some in Harlem in
Washington Heights, which is

1274
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,760
also Washington Heights is
Brooklyn.

1275
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,640
They do some in Queens.
There's like a church in

1276
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,800
Brooklyn that they shot the G
Officer Krupke song in.

1277
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:51,720
That's crazy.
The sanitation shack with like

1278
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,120
the salt, with all the like salt
and stuff for the rumble that

1279
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,400
was at the Brooklyn Navy Yard,
that building.

1280
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,800
So that's a on location thing.
The whole, so the beginning, the

1281
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,680
whole like demolished area is
like supposed to be a stand in

1282
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,360
for this place called San Juan
Hill, which was area that was

1283
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:17,000
like the heavily Puerto Rican
residence and got like

1284
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,720
demolished and Lincoln Center
got built there.

1285
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,000
So when you're seeing like the
plans that is showing like

1286
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,520
that's Lincoln Center, which was
built there.

1287
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,480
And so which ironically, the
movie premiered in Lincoln

1288
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:31,240
Center.
So there's a little bit of like,

1289
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,480
I wonder if when the people saw
that there was kind of like some

1290
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:39,200
nervous chuckling going on of
like, yeah, yeah.

1291
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:46,960
But that whole sequence was done
in Paterson, NJ, So kind of

1292
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,520
looks like period New York there
around in that area and whatnot,

1293
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,160
so.
It reminds me of of here in New

1294
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,360
Orleans.
Supposedly at one point we had

1295
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,480
the largest little Saigon like
Vietnamese kind of community

1296
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,400
outside of like maybe New York
here in New Orleans.

1297
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,880
And a lot of that got supposedly
got demolished and they so they

1298
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,920
could build stuff for Tulane
Gotcha Day.

1299
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,120
So we were reading that once.
Don't quote me on that, but

1300
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,040
yeah, I have to find someone
with her.

1301
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,400
So it's just, it's one of those
things that, yeah, it happens at

1302
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,960
the time and you couldn't really
do much to stop it.

1303
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,800
Yeah.
I mean, you still can't do much

1304
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,240
to stop a lot of that stuff.
But yeah, it's so there's that

1305
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,040
kind of like sad thing going on
with with that scene.

1306
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,000
If you, if you kind of are
familiar with with what was

1307
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,280
going on back then.
Patterson was also about half of

1308
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,600
America was shot and Patterson
and then the finale was shot in

1309
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,960
Patterson as well.
So the whole like, you know,

1310
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,800
Tony getting shot in the
procession and all that was in

1311
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:53,920
Patterson.
Spoilers.

1312
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,760
Oh, God, he he dies.
Yeah.

1313
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,840
And Patterson also.
Also the location for the great

1314
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,320
Jim Jarmusch movie starring Adam
Driver.

1315
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,520
So.
Oh, the same Patterson?

1316
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,160
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what Patterson is.

1317
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,720
OK, I was going to say a little
his name.

1318
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,480
Is Patterson and he lives in
Patterson.

1319
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,960
Look at that Patterson squared.
But a little side note is, you

1320
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,240
know, you watch this with your
wife.

1321
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,200
I I rewatch with my girlfriend
and she was really excited for

1322
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:25,160
it.
She you know, she's like

1323
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,440
musical.
She'd never seen it.

1324
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,200
And at the end of it she tells
me she's like, I'm upset with

1325
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,080
you.
I'm like why?

1326
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,840
She's like, I thought this was
going to be like a fun like cute

1327
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,080
romantic movie.
Tell me it was a tragedy.

1328
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,840
I was like, I I told you it was
based on Romeo and Juliet.

1329
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,720
You know what happens at the end
of Romeo and Juliet, right?

1330
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,760
Yeah, yeah.
Luckily we, my wife had seen it

1331
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,360
before, so there wasn't that
surprise for her.

1332
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,080
Yeah, she was prepped.
Normally when she watches

1333
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,120
something that does not have a
happy ending, she'll proceed to

1334
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,560
go in the bedroom and get in bed
and turn on the office on her

1335
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,920
phone to lighten the Yeah, Yeah.
So that's a fun fact.

1336
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,880
I think it's, I think that's,
that's healthy, I guess, you

1337
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,600
know.
You sure she hasn't watched

1338
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,760
Chism the paper?
She is not.

1339
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,080
I don't know if I don't know if
you can call that anything

1340
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,960
related to the office, to be
honest.

1341
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,160
It's Have you watched some of
it?

1342
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,520
No, I've just seen the trailers
and and the few clips and I'm

1343
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,400
like they forgot to make it
funny.

1344
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Oh man, yeah, the the only other
two locations I have are the gym

1345
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,400
was shot at Saint Thomas Aquinas
College, which is like kind of

1346
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,000
just outside New York City, I
think.

1347
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,240
And then it's.
Certainly the most gymnasium

1348
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,080
looking gym.
Yeah, it is perfect.

1349
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,240
And then they did some shooting
at Steiner Studios, which is a

1350
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,680
studio in Brooklyn.
The behind the bleachers part of

1351
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,040
that scene was in the studio
Maria's Alley.

1352
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:06,200
So when he when Tony like gets
into like the actual alley where

1353
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,680
they're like talking and he's
climbing up the that was just a

1354
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,480
huge set they built at Steiner
Studios.

1355
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:16,720
And then like I know the gimbals
was a set that they built there

1356
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,480
for I feel pretty.
I'm sure there was some other

1357
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,960
stuff that they that they built
as Time Studios.

1358
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,880
But yeah, interior shot.
Yeah, like the shop the

1359
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,920
Valentina's shop was probably.
Inside the apartment?

1360
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,320
Probably, yeah, probably built
there.

1361
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,560
So that that just didn't come up
in my research, so I didn't

1362
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,240
write it down.
Yeah, obviously like we talked a

1363
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,160
little bit about like the
camaraderie.

1364
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:49,000
One of the things that I came
across was that and 1957 Rome,

1365
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,080
Robbins didn't let the Sharks
and The Jets like intermingle.

1366
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,160
But when they were like off
stage, it was like this kind of

1367
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:04,520
like creative choice, I think to
to kind of keep that antagonism.

1368
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:05,680
Yeah.
Between them.

1369
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,520
Spielberg was like, I forget
that they are going to have fun.

1370
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,040
Like he was he was all about
like celebrating the diversity.

1371
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,280
And some of the actors and the
special features are like, it's,

1372
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,720
it's really crazy to like, be
like playing basketball or like,

1373
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,840
you know, having fun, like
laughing about something.

1374
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,000
And then we have to like, get on
screen and like, hate each

1375
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,600
other.
But I, I do appreciate like the

1376
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,360
different approach.
They're like, but that's kind of

1377
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,800
that's kind of the atmosphere
Spielberg always tries to set

1378
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,440
on, on his set.
So set on a set is kind of a

1379
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,240
weird sentence structure, but
Oh, well.

1380
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,600
But yeah.
And then, like, several of the

1381
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,040
actors and crew members talked
about how, like, we kind of

1382
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,400
talked about Spielberg's, like,
passion and love for the

1383
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:55,280
material, kind of like sets the
tone for for the set and just

1384
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,240
the energy.
And not just like the energy and

1385
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,880
the love for it, but also like,
wanting to do it right.

1386
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,840
You know, Everyone knew
Spielberg loved it and wanted

1387
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,200
to, like, make the best version
of it he could.

1388
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,760
So it kind of like brings out
the a game and everybody sort of

1389
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,480
thing.
Yeah, let's talk.

1390
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,280
Let's talk before we we get like
into some of the other stuff,

1391
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:23,080
like I want to talk through the
songs and we can just talk about

1392
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,520
like which songs we liked, but
what was our favorite stuff

1393
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,040
there?
Let's talk a little bit about

1394
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,960
the cinematography and camera
work because I think you'll have

1395
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,920
some, some fun, like, insight
here.

1396
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,080
So I guess like, a good place to
start.

1397
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,920
I see that you're there in the
notes, Spielberg.

1398
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,360
So Spielberg was there for like,
all the rehearsals.

1399
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,880
So him and Justin Peck for like
the choreography were like

1400
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,960
working hand in hand through the
rehearsals.

1401
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,920
He was there.
I saw him recording on his

1402
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,640
iPhone.
I saw him recording with like a

1403
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,360
little handheld, like, home
video camera.

1404
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,240
Yeah, yeah.
Dad, Cam.

1405
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,640
Exactly.
Just a proud dad watching his

1406
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,120
kids performance.
Oh yeah.

1407
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,000
Which funnily enough, I think I
heard Spielberg and the

1408
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,320
Director's Cut podcast, which is
like a DGA thing, talk about how

1409
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:19,160
he has like home videos of his
kids performing like parts of

1410
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,080
West Side Story.
Oh.

1411
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,840
That's cool.
So yeah, he was there doing like

1412
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,000
filming at the rehearsals to.
It's basically like

1413
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:33,080
storyboarding with your iPhone
during, during rehearsals.

1414
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,600
So he's he's basically like
figuring out how he wants to

1415
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,520
shoot certain scenes, like based
off of the choreography that

1416
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,120
Justin Peck is putting.
And then sometimes it would

1417
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,280
happen in reverse.
Spielberg would like go up to

1418
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,040
him and say, hey, I think it
would be really cool to get this

1419
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,000
shot.
And so Justin Peck would adjust

1420
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,400
the choreography so that that
shot could happen.

1421
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,760
And that's all happening during
rehearsals.

1422
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,440
And then on top of that, he's
also like storyboarding.

1423
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,240
And so they're getting the
orchestration done and he'll

1424
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,400
even, he even did some stuff
where he was like taking a

1425
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,440
camera and moving it down like
storyboard piece to storyboard

1426
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:17,080
piece as the music is playing to
kind of like plan out like the

1427
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,640
shot sequence.
When are we going to this part

1428
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,400
in the song?
When are we going to this part

1429
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,120
this shot?
Just a ton of like work on the

1430
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,840
front end of like mapping out
all of this.

1431
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:32,600
And I just, I don't know, like
if there's anybody better to do

1432
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,320
that sort of thing than Steven
Spielberg.

1433
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,880
He he's like, he jokes that his
like he has his like stick

1434
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:46,680
figure storyboards, like quality
of drawings aside, just like the

1435
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,880
mapping out and planning of that
sort of thing.

1436
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,160
He's just like masterful at.
Yeah.

1437
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,920
But yeah.
And then on top of that, I was

1438
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:01,040
kind of thinking about it.
Is there another form, like, is

1439
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:07,280
there another like genre of film
that kind of like forces you to

1440
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,520
utilize the full extent of what
a film can be more than a

1441
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,360
musical?
I mean, I think probably so, but

1442
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,680
it's up there, you know, of
like.

1443
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,440
Yeah, I think it'd be hard to
argue there's there's another

1444
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:23,920
that because it because it's
like it gives you such a wide

1445
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:28,240
range of different things that
right like like furnishes like

1446
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,960
the choreography part, like an
action movie might do it better,

1447
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:34,160
but having but having to do have
all these different because it's

1448
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,120
like a musical number.
It's like a, it's like a great

1449
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,720
action set piece where you have
all these movie parts you got to

1450
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,640
move the camera in and out of.
And people are like, like, I

1451
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,000
love seeing the behind the
scenes of like a really good

1452
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,920
fight scene, just seeing like
how many people are like ducking

1453
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,280
behind the camera man or, and
stuff like that.

1454
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,040
And there's a lot of that same
kind of stuff.

1455
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,120
And like, and again it, you
know, the same thing with like

1456
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,240
any action film, like your John
Wick films and stuff like that.

1457
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,440
That's what I was thinking.
Of everything has to be taught,

1458
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:07,440
it literally is like, I think
actually I want to say it was

1459
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,240
the guy who is in the most
recent Karate Kid film.

1460
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:17,280
His name is escaping me right
now, but he was on the show from

1461
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,040
Corridor Digital.
I think it was Stuntman React.

1462
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,680
I want to say he went on there
to promote the movie because you

1463
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,600
know, that show's gotten popular
enough to where people go in

1464
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,960
there promote their stuff now.
And they were looking at like

1465
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,360
some fight scenes for like
Jackie Chan and stuff and some

1466
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,520
stuff from the new movie.
And he was talking about how his

1467
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,480
background is actually in
musical theater, like growing up

1468
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,320
and how that actually like
learning like dance routines

1469
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,280
actually helped prepare him for
learning the choreography for

1470
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,080
Karate Kid legend.
Because it's it's like the same

1471
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,480
kind of process of like learning
the rhythm and learning the

1472
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,840
steps and learning the timing,
you know?

1473
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,360
Yeah.
But also with with most

1474
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,720
musicals, you also have these
really great kind of more

1475
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,400
intimate character moments that
allow you for a complete

1476
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,920
different approach.
You know, most musicals, you're

1477
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,440
going to have some like comedic
timing you have to learn how to

1478
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:10,680
do.
And so I think there is

1479
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,640
something to it to where they
they have like all these

1480
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,640
different kind of bits and
pieces coming together.

1481
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,280
Yeah.
And you know, I was thinking

1482
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,040
about like, so I was thinking
about that too.

1483
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,600
Like, OK, a big action set piece
is maybe like the closest, the

1484
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,640
other closest thing to like you
have to really utilize every

1485
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,160
aspect of what a film can do as
far as like camera movement,

1486
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,840
like care, like you want a good
action set piece also is all

1487
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,440
doing something.
But the character, the best

1488
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,280
ones, at least you have a lot of
moving parts.

1489
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:48,400
You have, you know, things
exploding you or things like

1490
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,960
coming in and out of camera a
lot like the there's a lot of

1491
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:57,120
camera movement and like that,
like a musical number has all of

1492
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:02,440
that stuff.
But also like they're, you know,

1493
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:06,800
there's people singing and like
like dancing.

1494
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,560
And I just, I don't know, I was
just thinking like, man, this

1495
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:16,960
is, I think musicals really do
like force you to do all the

1496
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:21,840
things that a film if you're
doing it well, in other words.

1497
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,440
And I think, you know, I, I
think the forerunners of like

1498
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:29,600
how to shoot a musical.
Like you think about like like

1499
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:36,400
Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers
films and and then like, think

1500
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,200
about like Stanley Donnan films,
like singing in the rain.

1501
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,600
They did a lot to like push the
form forward in the sense of

1502
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,480
like, we're not just going to
like film people doing dance

1503
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,320
numbers on screen.
We're going to actually like

1504
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,080
utilize the, the film art form
and like move the camera and

1505
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,320
make like directorial choices
with how we're shooting

1506
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,080
something and the angle and the
way the cameras moving.

1507
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:07,320
And so I, I think those are
like, there's some great films

1508
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,200
in there.
I mean, Singing in the Rain I

1509
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,920
think is a masterpiece.
And I probably still would would

1510
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,400
like put higher than than this
movie.

1511
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,640
But in the sense of like how to
move the camera around a musical

1512
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,200
sequence happening.
I don't think anyone is has done

1513
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,760
anything near what Spielberg
does in this film.

1514
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,280
It's incredible.
At least not with like a very

1515
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,080
like classical take on a musical
I.

1516
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,160
Think.
I mean, there's, there's,

1517
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,840
there's a lot of like more
modernized musicals, I think

1518
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:42,600
have a very different approach.
But but but as far as like a

1519
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,440
very classical kind of version
of musical like this.

1520
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,200
I think that is one of the
biggest reasons that this kind

1521
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,280
of reactation, so to speak, just
work so well is that it

1522
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:58,480
literally, it's taking like, you
know what, like almost like

1523
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:03,160
50-60 years worth of learning
how to, of, of like changes in,

1524
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,720
in filmmaking technology and new
techniques.

1525
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,920
And like, like they're just
simply able to do things in, in

1526
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,840
2019 when this was shot that
they literally couldn't do.

1527
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,240
And in the 1960s when the
original film version was shot

1528
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,560
because of the, the weight of
the camera, the size of the

1529
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:24,920
camera, the needs of the camera,
you know, and like, I don't know

1530
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,440
if this was shot on film or
digital.

1531
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:28,360
Either way, it looked
phenomenal.

1532
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,880
It was shot on film.
But even but even with being

1533
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,440
shot on film like the modern
film, cameras are so much

1534
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:36,600
smaller and lighter and easier
to work with.

1535
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,120
Probably a lot quicker to change
out the cartridges.

1536
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,720
Too.
Oh, for sure, for sure, for

1537
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,960
sure.
And so and also just all the all

1538
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,720
the kind of additional equipment
like you know.

1539
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,720
Lighting.
You know, it's the lights are,

1540
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,920
are are brighter, but also
lighter and smaller and you can

1541
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,280
put in place as you couldn't
before.

1542
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,840
Yeah, I think, I think you said
in your notes about the crane

1543
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,240
work, like the big giant crane
arms, which they they had that

1544
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,880
kind of stuff back in the day,
but just the stuff we have now

1545
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,080
with the hydraulics and then the
controls like the snooze so

1546
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,120
much.
Yeah.

1547
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,480
It's just so many more tools
available.

1548
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:17,080
Add on to that having somebody
who is a master of movement and

1549
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:21,480
timing and is like at the height
of his powers in a lot of ways.

1550
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Yeah, I will say I think what I
what I appreciated when I saw

1551
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,440
this movie as opposed to like
the last couple of Spielberg

1552
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:32,160
movies that have come out in the
more recent years is and, and

1553
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,240
kind of learning about how
special West Side Story is to

1554
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:36,800
him.
It really makes sense because,

1555
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,560
you know, I think I remember
seeing like Ready Player 1 and

1556
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,520
maybe some of the other more
recent Spielberg movies.

1557
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,320
I I wouldn't put him up there
was like someone like Ridley

1558
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,520
Scott who I'm really like.
I think he really needs to

1559
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,760
retire because his last couple
movies have felt very phoned in,

1560
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:54,600
in my opinion.
But that's a whole nother

1561
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,000
conversation for another day.
But like, I think Ready Player

1562
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,520
One especially, I just, it
didn't feel like, yeah,

1563
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,640
Spielberg magic just wasn't
there.

1564
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,520
And this movie, like, on my
rewatch, it's hard not to just

1565
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,520
be smiling the whole time you're
watching this movie.

1566
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,200
Oh, yeah.
Because it is just a spectacle

1567
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,520
to behold.
The colors, the glitz, the glam,

1568
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,760
the way the camera moves, the
performances.

1569
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,800
It's just a great time, a great
time.

1570
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,000
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think I'm scrolling down

1571
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,000
because I wrote in my notes for
like scenes that I loved.

1572
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,840
There was like, there were a few
times when like I think I

1573
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,320
audibly like reacted to like.
I think one of the times was

1574
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,680
when they when the Sharks and
The Jets enter the warehouse and

1575
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,880
it's that overhead shot of their
shadows.

1576
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,640
Crawling literally my girlfriend
Bearda.

1577
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,040
She was like, wow, that's a
really good shot and she doesn't

1578
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,120
she like she loves movies, but
she's not the type of person to

1579
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,480
be like, wow, it's such a good
shot, but she she she literally

1580
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,000
was like, wow, that's a really
good shot.

1581
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,480
Like the long shadows.
I mean, I think I mean.

1582
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:04,160
I think I literally went yes.
Yeah, no, that that shot's

1583
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,000
great.
I really like, there's some

1584
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,360
really good like close-ups in
this movie.

1585
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,880
I love the scene of Riff and
Tony and the little like

1586
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,080
basement, like just the intimacy
there, the way especially, Oh my

1587
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,000
gosh, dude, when when they're
like on opposite sides of that

1588
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,080
shelf and Tony's like, I went to
prison, what I did to that game,

1589
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,040
what I almost did.
And there's a little like

1590
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,040
reflection, like light bar, like
being bounced into their eyes.

1591
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:33,280
Yeah, every single character
always has like the sparkling

1592
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,120
eyes in this movie and it's
great.

1593
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,200
Yeah, I love that.
I love some of the intimacy, the

1594
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,280
close-ups of like the one hand
one heart scene.

1595
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,320
Yeah, yeah, that one's great.
And you have the like the

1596
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,760
lighting from the the stained
glass, like giving the color to

1597
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,520
make it feel like this like
sacred moment, you know?

1598
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,840
Yes, it's beautiful as well as I
mean, I think the the dance

1599
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,640
scene, everything about that is
great.

1600
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:04,200
I love just the shots of the two
of them from across the crowd as

1601
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:05,840
they're kind of following each
other.

1602
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:10,120
I also really love they go
behind the the the bleachers and

1603
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,240
they're having their little
moment.

1604
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,000
And I love when they like snap
back to reality and the

1605
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,000
production design is completely
changed.

1606
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,840
And like it looked like this
very like kind of clean, like

1607
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,440
magical space.
And then like, you see, there's

1608
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:24,760
like a basketball on the floor
and like a random mop bucket and

1609
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,360
just.
Yeah, I think even, I think even

1610
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,480
like.
The lines go away.

1611
01:32:29,480 --> 01:32:32,320
When they're like having their
moment, there's like even this,

1612
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,000
this like fogginess, the the
kind of typical Yanush Kaminsky,

1613
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,320
like fantastical fogginess in
the air.

1614
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,560
And I think when it cuts, I
think that's that's kind of like

1615
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:48,280
dissipated a little bit.
Little the little colored

1616
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,960
spotlights that come mom and
Maria walks around and when it

1617
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,040
cuts those are gone yeah you
know it's it's kind of it's kind

1618
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,040
of it's a really nice little
touch but I mean the whole dance

1619
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,440
sequence at the gym is is great
and then I think one of the

1620
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:04,880
other biggest upgrades of this
film versus the original is the

1621
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:09,680
entire sequence for the song
America yes instead of just

1622
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,360
being locked in on stage on that
rooftop the.

1623
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,800
Whole and it's great.
Don't get it.

1624
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:15,640
Yeah, yeah, the original is
great.

1625
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:17,280
It's original.
Yeah.

1626
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,360
But this is like it's a
celebration like this one is.

1627
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:26,040
And that's what I and even like
one of my favorite like I think

1628
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,280
the other one of the other shots
where I was just like.

1629
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,200
Oh yeah.
When it was happening is that he

1630
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:36,800
does this like low angle shot
where the they're dancing in the

1631
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,360
middle of the street and the
shot is like very like

1632
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:44,840
symmetrically composed with the
skyscrapers coming up on either

1633
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,040
side of them.
And you have the sky in the

1634
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,200
background.
And it's just this like

1635
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,000
beautiful, like, I don't know,
this beautifully composed low

1636
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,360
angle shot like looking up at
them.

1637
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,000
And then of course, like they're
just like bringing the the

1638
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:05,200
joyous energy and, yeah, love
that whole sequence.

1639
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,600
That was like a standout shot to
me.

1640
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,560
For some reason that stood out.
But yeah, I don't know, there's

1641
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,000
so much to really love about the
way this movie was shot.

1642
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,040
It's it's just incredible.
I don't know.

1643
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,080
And it like some of the things
you were talking about too are

1644
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:24,800
just there are things that are
so like purely cinematic, like

1645
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,080
you could not have this moment
on a stage.

1646
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,120
And when you adapt a stage,
stage play or a stage musical

1647
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:38,240
like 2 the screen, you have to
do things with it that you could

1648
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,200
not see on the stage.
So like the like, Maria and Tony

1649
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,000
seeing each other across the gym
is one of those moments because

1650
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,720
like, not only do you have like
blurring dancers passing in

1651
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,200
front of the camera.
And the, the long lens that they

1652
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,840
have at Tony where he's like,
you could tell it's, it's a long

1653
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,800
lens just because the way it
works, it looks you tell like

1654
01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:02,480
you're probably on like a couple
100 millimeter lens.

1655
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,800
Yeah, and they they also kind of
they also do this effect.

1656
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,920
I don't know if it's like
something they're doing, but the

1657
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,480
way they're filming it or if
they are, if they're doing it

1658
01:35:11,480 --> 01:35:15,040
somehow in post where like it
feels like everything else is

1659
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:19,560
slowed down around them almost.
It's not like a, it's not like

1660
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,600
a, oh, I'm watching like the
Flash when he's running and

1661
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,920
everything slowed down.
It's it's kind of like this more

1662
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,400
subtle thing.
It's a very surreal kind of

1663
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:29,880
thing.
Right, but you could you you

1664
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,840
just you can't do that on the
stage.

1665
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,520
It's just a different medium
that doesn't allow for that.

1666
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,160
And so there's a ton of those
moments that are just so like

1667
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:45,320
purely cinematic that that make
this obviously stand out from

1668
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,640
what the stage play would be.
But even from like the original

1669
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:53,000
adaptation, which is obviously
like, well, you know, a classic

1670
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,840
and and great, but but I don't
know this the way Spielberg shot

1671
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,080
this was just so good.
Like even just thinking about

1672
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,720
like the final procession of
carrying Tony off in it, the

1673
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,800
cameras like the the whole thing
is being framed through the

1674
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,520
rungs of like a fire escape
ladder as the camera moves up.

1675
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:18,480
Just that it's like a very,
like, it's a toy, like, it's a

1676
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:21,520
very, like deliberate choice.
Like he's doing something with

1677
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,080
that framing and the way he's
doing.

1678
01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:25,320
I don't know.
It's just, it's also great.

1679
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,560
Yeah.
Janusz Kaminski also talked

1680
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,640
about how when you have lots of
people in the frame, it's a

1681
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,480
nightmare for the
cinematographer.

1682
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,840
And he was, he was just talking
about like, you have to create

1683
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,200
this like deep focus.
And so you have to like use an

1684
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,480
incredible amount of light.
You have to like get a sharpness

1685
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:47,840
from the foreground all the way
to the background because you,

1686
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,160
you're wanting to have, you're
wanting to capture all of the

1687
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:55,800
dancers, You know, all of like
the movement of everybody needs

1688
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:01,680
to be sharp and in focus because
it all, it's all working In

1689
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:05,800
Sync, you know, which I would
imagine is a pretty tough task

1690
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,280
for a cinematographer.
You could probably speak to

1691
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:09,680
that.
I don't know if you have

1692
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,440
experience shooting a lot of
people in frame, but I'm sure

1693
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:16,360
you can imagine as.
Someone who knows not in a way

1694
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,960
in which you really have to pay
attention.

1695
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:25,000
Most of my experiences with like
a lot of people in film on sets

1696
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,600
has been a lot of extras.
But nothing like a dance

1697
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,720
sequence, you know?
Right, right, right.

1698
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,680
And most of that, even even
then, it's been a lot of what

1699
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,400
they call panel paneling with
essentially it's like, you know,

1700
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,520
example is when I worked on
Happy Happy Death Day too, they

1701
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,360
needed to have a big a big crowd
for this basketball scene.

1702
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:47,680
Well, instead of paying for 5000
people, you pay for 500.

1703
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,760
You put them all in this one
little area.

1704
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,680
You film it, you film a couple
different reactions and then you

1705
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,320
move them over, you switch them
all around a little bit.

1706
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,880
You film it again, same.
And like you do that.

1707
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,960
And then in post production,
they will stitch those different

1708
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,840
components together.
And then you have your crowd,

1709
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,000
you know?
And it's so it's like, you know,

1710
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,400
it's like all real people, but
just kind of layered something

1711
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:10,840
differently.
So yeah.

1712
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,000
And again, it for it all to be a
bunch of like kind of mostly

1713
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,200
background shots that you're not
going to notice.

1714
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,840
Yeah.
Yes, but nothing like this.

1715
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:22,640
I can't imagine when you have
your your, your key players

1716
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,680
you're trying to stay focused on
and you have like at least 20

1717
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,200
people that are going to cross
and frame, it just kind of could

1718
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,520
throw everything off, but.
But I mean, if you just you

1719
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:35,160
think about like the wide shots
in the gym, like you want, you

1720
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:38,800
want, you want it to be
something where like every time

1721
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,520
you watch it, you can notice
like a new couple and what

1722
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,720
they're doing with their dance.
And so you do you want a

1723
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,680
sharpness and a focus like from
from like front to back, you

1724
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:53,240
know, really just incredible
work by this is some of the like

1725
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,800
this might be some of you even
Janusz Kaminsky's best work.

1726
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,480
Just everything looks so good in
this movie.

1727
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:06,720
Yeah.
The the other thing I wanted to

1728
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,680
say, the gem, that gem sequence,
while we were talking about that

1729
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:15,120
there were 60 like dancer actors
and 150 extras.

1730
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,120
So that just goes to show you
like how much is, how many

1731
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,000
moving parts are are going on
there.

1732
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,240
And sometimes they have a space
for that many people to be

1733
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,440
filling up.
Yeah, exactly.

1734
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:32,640
Yeah, let's let's talk through
the songs and sequences and we

1735
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:37,920
can kind of like use that to
kind of make our way to the end

1736
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:43,600
here.
The So the first we talked about

1737
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,280
LA Bar in Kenya.
It's the first thing actually

1738
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,480
sung in the movie.
But then you go into the jet

1739
01:39:49,480 --> 01:39:53,720
song, which is really good.
A lot of like a lot of moving

1740
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,320
parts.
Again, a lot of like moving down

1741
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,080
the street, you're doing a lot
of tracking shots, but I think

1742
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:05,560
too like one of the things that.
That it's born out of I think is

1743
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,920
like this.
So when the when the Sharks walk

1744
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,680
away, you can even kind of see
like this twinge of like respect

1745
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,280
in the eyes of The Jets, Like
they kind of respect the Sharks

1746
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:20,760
in a in a way because they kind
of have a common enemy and

1747
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,880
Lieutenant strength.
But then when he goes off.

1748
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,160
Because they both kind of stand
up for each other.

1749
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,640
Right.
Well, there's there's kind of

1750
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:33,360
like a, you know, snitches get
stitches kind of thing.

1751
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,000
You know, there's like neither
of us are.

1752
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,680
No, it's.
Taking you down except for me,

1753
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,640
kind of.
Thing, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1754
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,560
This is our thing.
You you're not involved like

1755
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,880
we're not talking to you.
You know, I think that's a kind

1756
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:49,080
of a typical, like a typical
thing, but but like, so it's

1757
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,840
born out of that.
But also like they there's kind

1758
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,320
of this sense with the Shark,
with The Jets that they like

1759
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,520
have nothing to lose really.
Like they've already lost pretty

1760
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,920
much everything.
So they don't really have a

1761
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,760
whole lot to lose.
That's kind of juxtaposed with

1762
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:11,120
this kind of like defiant
hopefulness with the Sharks, I

1763
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,640
think.
And and yeah, I don't know, I

1764
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:16,080
don't know.
It's a it's a interesting

1765
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,560
dynamic, I think between The
Jets and the Sharks, because

1766
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,960
they kind of probably are have
more in common then they and

1767
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,200
they think sort of thing.
It's one of those sorts of

1768
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,880
things.
And I think that kind of

1769
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:33,440
culminates with like that final
procession at the end kind of

1770
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:38,400
laying, laying that point down.
But the differences are

1771
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:43,640
interesting too, because it's,
it is, it's the difference

1772
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:48,960
between labour and Kenya, which
is this very like strong willed,

1773
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,840
hopeful, defiant song versus
like the jet song where they, I

1774
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,840
mean, they're, they're
confident, but they also like,

1775
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:02,800
there's this like anger and
frustration that like bubbles up

1776
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,440
the further into the song they
get.

1777
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,360
So like the first verse is like,
you know, the, when you're a

1778
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,000
jet, you're a jet all the way
and we're awesome.

1779
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:13,280
But by the time you get to like
the end of the song, you can

1780
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,280
tell there's, there's a more
like defeated frustration too,

1781
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:19,960
to how they feel.
And so I I just thought that was

1782
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,320
an interesting juxtaposition
between the Sharks and The Jets.

1783
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,720
Yeah, I definitely, I know, you
know, we'll probably get in some

1784
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,200
more of the themes here
momentarily and I'd love to save

1785
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,680
some of my commentary about kind
of what you're saying with some

1786
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,800
of the similarities and things
between between these two sides.

1787
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,120
But you know, one of the things
that I'm I'm thinking about is

1788
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,320
that, you know, there's probably
a lot of people who are

1789
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,560
listening to this who maybe
they've never seen West Side

1790
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,680
Story, maybe they've never even
heard of it.

1791
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:52,400
But the more I think about it,
the more I think West Side Story

1792
01:42:53,400 --> 01:43:01,000
may be one of the most parodied
like musicals ever made.

1793
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,200
And the been the sense of like
the whole idea of like the

1794
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,720
snapping and the dance fighting
like that.

1795
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,680
There's like tons of stuff that
have made fun of that.

1796
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,400
And I can't really think of any
other movie or or musical other

1797
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,720
than West Side Story that that
could have originated from

1798
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,760
because it's such an iconic
thing from this movie,

1799
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,760
especially for that Jet song.
When they all start, I mean,

1800
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,440
even in the beginning, they all
start like snapping together and

1801
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:30,160
the, you know, like, you know,
just, I don't know, like, like

1802
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,800
if I think of like, you know,
snapping in unison while we walk

1803
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:35,560
and we're acting like a bunch of
tough guys.

1804
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:40,320
Or, or like, like, I literally
saw this, this like random like

1805
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,520
Instagram reel that someone made
where it was like a skit where

1806
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,120
like someone like bumps into him
in a convenience store.

1807
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,160
The guy's reporting.
He's like, all right, now you're

1808
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:49,640
really going to get it.
And he starts like slowly

1809
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,040
walking towards the guy while
snapping and like you're

1810
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,720
expecting like some other people
to come aside him, but it's just

1811
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:59,160
him by himself the whole time
for like 2 minutes straight

1812
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,080
walking toward this guy, the
convenience store snapping.

1813
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,520
And it's like, they've got to be
making fun of this, right?

1814
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:05,920
Like where else are they going
to get that from?

1815
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:09,320
So I do think that that's it's
kind of interesting how it's

1816
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:17,360
maybe had a bit of a hidden kind
of influence on pop culture that

1817
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,600
maybe people don't realize.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1818
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:26,000
I think off of that point,
what's in what something that I

1819
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:30,840
noticed because like thinking
back to the original adaptation

1820
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:38,440
like that is different here is I
think that the jet, like The

1821
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:42,520
Jets here feel more like
dangerous.

1822
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:46,400
There's like a actual, I don't
know, there's a greediness and a

1823
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:52,280
danger that you feel with them
that maybe is less so felt in

1824
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:58,160
the original adaptation.
And I don't know exactly, I

1825
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:00,520
can't pinpoint exactly why that
is.

1826
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,720
I think I think really original.
They all just feel a little too

1827
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:05,920
clean cut.
I think that's what it and

1828
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,360
there's like this color, there's
like this color palette that

1829
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,920
like the Sharks wear these
colors, The Jets wear these

1830
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,560
colors and that's not really a
thing in this one.

1831
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,960
Yeah.
And I think, I think here is

1832
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,240
especially the way we're
introduced to all the different

1833
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,320
Jets in this film.
Like they just, they just feel

1834
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,840
like a bunch of like, like, like
street kids, like, yeah,

1835
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:31,800
they're, they're never at home.
They're always out and about.

1836
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,680
They're all kind of dirty, you
know, super sweaty.

1837
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,240
They got a bunch of grime all
over their over their shirts.

1838
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,560
Like they've been out all night.
They were out all night the

1839
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:41,720
night before.
They're going to be out all

1840
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:45,920
night again tonight.
And so, yeah, yeah, I just, I do

1841
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,560
agree there is there is like a
presentation that and and I feel

1842
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,360
like in this one, the Sharks
kind of feel a little bit more

1843
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,960
kind of presentable, I guess you
could say.

1844
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,640
And I think I think that's also
kind of a reflection on some of

1845
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,280
the themes that maybe the Sharks
feel like they have to be in

1846
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:03,040
order to be accepted, whereas
The Jets are able to get away

1847
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,760
with kind of just being these
like, you know, these like

1848
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:09,640
scrawny, scrappy juvenile
delinquents that could just be

1849
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,880
messy, you know?
Yeah, yeah, it.

1850
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:17,640
You know, I was just thinking
like, in this version I might

1851
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:21,080
have seen, I might have just
seen that guy do like a ballet

1852
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,800
twirl, but I still think he
might like, knife me if he

1853
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:29,240
really needed to.
I love, I love the beginning,

1854
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:30,840
the beginning overture where
they're walking.

1855
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:35,080
They just start going Yeah, and
they just start to just randomly

1856
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:36,560
just like trying to outdo each
other.

1857
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,120
It's great.
They're.

1858
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,120
Spinning and yeah, you know,
sliding and yeah, it's great,

1859
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,200
Yeah.
And then there's like, I think

1860
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:48,800
that's why like cool the cool
song in this, I think is really

1861
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:52,200
I like that they they
restructured it and put that in

1862
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,400
front of the rumble for this one
because it.

1863
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,880
Fits really well.
It fits really well and I think

1864
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,680
it does some good character
development.

1865
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:04,240
You get to actually see there's
a little bit more that you get

1866
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:07,800
of the relationship between Tony
and Riff, I think from that.

1867
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,280
And yeah, and the dancing has a
lot to do with that.

1868
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,320
The it's what's incredible with
like what Jerome Robbins did and

1869
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:22,640
then what Justin Peck does with
this is that you get you kind of

1870
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:27,320
like get dialogue by the way
people dance against each other.

1871
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,600
And I just think that's really
cool.

1872
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:36,400
It's really impressive.
And I don't know to have a eye

1873
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:41,120
for that and to, to kind of
figure out, OK, how do I, how do

1874
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:45,920
I show that these guys love each
other but are like, but have

1875
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,560
like come to different
perspectives on the world and

1876
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,240
like want to move forward in
life.

1877
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,040
They're kind of like at a
crossroads between each other.

1878
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,080
And you're kind of showing that
all with like the way they're

1879
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:02,480
moving around each other.
And in this choreography, it's

1880
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:06,120
really impressive.
Yeah, I, you know, it's all part

1881
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:07,960
of telling the story.
I mean, it's just like, you

1882
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:12,720
know, the, the best action
scenes are ones that tell a

1883
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,920
story and like are made, are
motivated by the characters

1884
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,560
think it's, I think I want to
say it's like Jackie Chan who

1885
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:22,160
says that like every action
scene has to be like tell a

1886
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,520
story of its own, you know, and,
and even, and sometimes you can

1887
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,920
even be introduced to a
character and the way in which

1888
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,040
they fight, you can like learn a
lot about who they are as a

1889
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,760
person.
Like are they very cool and calm

1890
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:37,000
and calculated and they only
strike when they need to?

1891
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,360
Are they rough?
Are they do they make a lot of

1892
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:40,920
mistakes?
They let themselves get hit a

1893
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,080
lot and then come back in, you
know, and, and, and so you do

1894
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,800
get that.
And I, I think what I really

1895
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:52,160
love about cool is I love the,
the gun purchasing scene and

1896
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,960
like the intensity there and
like the kind of back and forth

1897
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,440
and like Riff's desperation.
And then it immediately cuts to

1898
01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:01,080
them faking like they're
shooting each other with a real

1899
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:03,960
gun that they just bought, which
could have accidentally gone off

1900
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,560
and killed.
They, they instantly turned into

1901
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,320
like 5 year olds running,
running through the streets.

1902
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:13,800
And I'm just like, these, these,
these boys have never grown up.

1903
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:16,680
This is why they're still in
this position, you know?

1904
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,360
For sure, yeah, we haven't.
So we haven't really mentioned.

1905
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:24,480
There's there's a few songs we
haven't talked a lot about.

1906
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:28,480
So there's something coming.
Something's coming is 1 song.

1907
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:33,880
That one is, is maybe the most
forgettable I think of of the

1908
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,360
whole movie.
To me.

1909
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:39,480
It's kind of like, I guess it,
it's like Tony's like why song

1910
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:41,240
there?
You know, that's kind of a thing

1911
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,600
in musicals for the main
characters.

1912
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,000
You get the the why they have,
the motivation, they have sort

1913
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,880
of thing, but it's kind of a
forgettable piece if there is

1914
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:54,760
one in the whole movie.
Yeah, you definitely could have

1915
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,440
cut that scene and.
Yeah.

1916
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,440
Wouldn't have mattered.
But Maria and tonight are both

1917
01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:02,240
really great.
We haven't talked a ton about

1918
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,120
especially we haven't really
talked about Maria, but I mean,

1919
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,080
it's a.
Igor kills it as performs that

1920
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,240
song.
Yeah, and, and you really buy

1921
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:13,480
that.
Like, he's kind of infatuated

1922
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:15,600
with this girl.
You get one of the, like, the

1923
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,480
coolest shots of the movie with.
Isn't that the is?

1924
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,200
I'm pretty sure that's the
sequence where you get the shot

1925
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:24,960
of him standing in the puddle
with the lights reflecting.

1926
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,080
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, Yeah.

1927
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,760
I think that's in that.
I know, I know, something's

1928
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,720
coming.
Starts off with him looking at

1929
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,680
himself as a reflection of the
floor that he cleaned right?

1930
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:36,960
So I don't know if maybe getting
confused but it probably.

1931
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,560
No, no, it's it's him in the
street in a puddle.

1932
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,280
And like.
All the lights are like reflect

1933
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,840
from the buildings are like
reflecting in the puddle.

1934
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:50,960
I love the, the random like,
like floor sweep that's like

1935
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,880
rolling into the basketball
like, well, I, I, I love how

1936
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,160
cause like he's singing the song
and the lights start coming on

1937
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,280
and at first you're like, oh,
it's just one of those magical

1938
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,040
film things.
And then Spielberg and Kushner

1939
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,680
and their genius, they include
this little moment of this guy

1940
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,640
like turning on the lights so he
can clean the basketball court

1941
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,760
and he like runs over and he's
like singing to the guy.

1942
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:15,480
The guy's just like, OK bud,
great.

1943
01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:18,080
Moving on.
Can I get to work here?

1944
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,960
You know, like, yeah, it's
that's, that's a fun little bit,

1945
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:23,200
I think.
Oh yeah.

1946
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,160
And then like I think it is good
like that they switched it back

1947
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,680
to the original of like going
straight into tonight.

1948
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:32,480
I think that works really well.
Magically happens to end up in

1949
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:35,160
the same alleyway that he needs
to be, I mean.

1950
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,840
Yeah, that's a good.
It does kind of feel like

1951
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,440
magical.
He's just because he is just

1952
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:43,000
kind of like guessing.
She probably lives over here,

1953
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,240
which is probably a pretty
educated guess.

1954
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:49,280
Yeah, it probably, I mean, you
know, I would say most of the

1955
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,840
Puerto Ricanios probably lived
in the same area.

1956
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,520
So he was probably pretty
familiar of of what part of town

1957
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,000
he.
Yeah, and.

1958
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:02,640
It's almost like, it's almost
like an old school cartoon where

1959
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,320
like a like a someone puts a pie
in a window and then the cartoon

1960
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:10,600
character like smells the pie
and starts like floating and

1961
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,200
it's being carried along by the
scent.

1962
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,560
Like that's the kind of feeling
you get where he's just kind of

1963
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:19,280
like, yeah, yeah, just floating
till he finds himself in the

1964
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,480
exact place he needs to be.
Yeah.

1965
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,440
And then you get the it's, it's
kind of like, you know, the the

1966
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:30,520
Romeo and Juliet balcony scene,
you know, it's kind of the, you

1967
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,520
know, wherefore art thou Romeo
kind of thing.

1968
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:38,400
And he's he's down there.
And tonight is tonight is like a

1969
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:43,040
phenomenally written song.
That is the song that I think

1970
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:47,480
I've been singing in my head
non-stop since I watched it the

1971
01:52:47,480 --> 01:52:49,520
other night.
Out of all the songs, that's the

1972
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:54,080
one that like my mind keeps
going back to, which tells me

1973
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:57,840
it's like a great song, you
know?

1974
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,560
So I don't know, that might be
my favorite song of the movie.

1975
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:05,880
It's very like, it's very like
simple, but very like sweet.

1976
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,920
Like, I feel like I could sing
it to my wife and it would be

1977
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:14,320
like a sweet song, you know?
Well, it's, it's funny because

1978
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,200
during Maria, my girlfriend, her
name is Myrna.

1979
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,520
And she's like, is this, were
you singing this when you met

1980
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:25,520
me?
And I, I started going Myrna, I

1981
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,440
just met a girl named it's just
like, I mean, it fits, you know.

1982
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:32,120
And so I, I, I think I
definitely prefer Maria.

1983
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:36,120
And again, I, I think that's
fair performance of it is he's

1984
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:40,040
just got this like very like
sweetness when he sings this

1985
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,560
song, which you just like you
said, you really buy that he's

1986
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,280
absolutely smitten.
Yeah.

1987
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:49,000
And I remember so when I, when I
came into watching this after,

1988
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:53,600
you know, not having seen it
since 2021-2022, whenever I saw

1989
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:58,320
it, hey, I was thinking like, Oh
no, Ansel El Gore, his singing

1990
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,280
is going to be like kind of
subpar to everyone elses.

1991
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,720
And there is a sense in which,
like, when he is singing

1992
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,920
alongside Zeigler, like she's
blowing him off the screen, but

1993
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,160
not so much so that you think
like, oh, he's not a great

1994
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:14,600
singer.
Like, he still sounds really

1995
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:15,840
good.
I was kind of like.

1996
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,520
Yeah.
I had, I had for some reason,

1997
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:22,400
low expectations coming into
this rewatch from whatever

1998
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:26,200
memory I had of the first time,
but but I was impressed.

1999
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:30,600
He he holds his own fairly well,
I think even he's against

2000
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:35,840
Zeigler's powerhouse voice.
So yeah, he's got a couple like

2001
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,600
singles and stuff he's put out
over the years.

2002
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:42,520
And there's there's one called
Supernova that I remember when

2003
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:46,280
when I I found out about that
song, I kind of was like, I

2004
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,040
think it's it's pretty.
So I think the man he he

2005
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,160
actually does sing really well.
But like you said, I mean, yeah,

2006
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:55,120
there and I don't know, it's
just very, very different vocal

2007
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,400
performances in a lot of ways,
yeah.

2008
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,360
For sure.
But but they go really well

2009
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,440
together.
Yeah.

2010
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,880
Like if you talk about like 1
heart, one hand, one heart, I

2011
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,280
think that their voices playoff
each other so well in that

2012
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:09,520
scene.
Yeah, yeah.

2013
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:13,440
And the the just kind of
skipping ahead to that song.

2014
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:19,360
They also like change kind of
like the vibes for that too.

2015
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:23,960
It's like a lot more serious and
sacred in this movie and it's in

2016
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,920
their original adaptation.
It's like, and I'm not, I can't

2017
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:30,720
speak for like the the stage
play, the the Broadway play, but

2018
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:34,520
it's it's more playful in their
original adaptation and in here

2019
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:38,000
it's kind of taking itself a lot
more seriously.

2020
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:41,280
So it, which I appreciate.
I think it's well done and and

2021
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:45,760
you kind of buy it, you know,
especially because they set it

2022
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:50,840
up with him like baring his soul
to her kind of and like being

2023
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:56,160
extremely vulnerable goes back
to like Tony Kushner's part.

2024
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,360
And in his writing of like
you've set up this moment where

2025
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:04,880
he's just like been so extremely
vulnerable with her.

2026
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:09,240
And then now you can kind of buy
into the seriousness of this,

2027
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,800
like speaking, you know, telling
your vows to each other like

2028
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,560
she's she's thinking like I can
I can be vulnerable and give

2029
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,600
myself to this man because he
just bore his soul to me.

2030
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:26,800
And so I think that's, you know,
speaks to 1 aspect that I think

2031
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,720
Kushner, like really set up the
moment well for.

2032
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,440
But yeah, in between.
But in between, we already

2033
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,440
talked a a good bit about
America.

2034
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,840
Great, great, great, great.
One of the highlights of the

2035
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:41,720
movie.
I think, I think I would argue

2036
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:45,960
maybe the best written musically
and lyrically, yeah, there's a

2037
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:50,360
lot to love about that song.
It's it's hard, it's hard to

2038
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,520
like argue against that for most
of the songs.

2039
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:57,680
If you know, if anyone told me
their their favorite song was

2040
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,760
this, I would be like, yeah, OK,
makes sense to me, you know, But

2041
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:06,400
yeah, that that one definitely
like is one of in at least in

2042
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:10,760
this adaptation, one of the more
like just fun, exciting, just

2043
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,520
joyful moments of the movie.
And they shot it during a heat

2044
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:18,600
wave.
So everyone was like burning up

2045
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:22,000
hot throughout the throughout
the shoot for that.

2046
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,080
And then the other one we
haven't talked a ton about was G

2047
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:32,440
Officer Krupke, which is such a
it's just a extremely fun song.

2048
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,600
And film and like the
choreography and like, just that

2049
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:38,720
whole sequence is really fun.
I love, I love when the woman,

2050
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,000
the only woman that's in there,
she goes and locks herself in

2051
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,640
the cage.
Yeah, where all the cops leave.

2052
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,720
And like, I love the couple kind
of similar to like the kind of

2053
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,960
janitor that we get during
Maria.

2054
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,680
They like kind of have a couple
little insert shots of her

2055
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,160
watching that whole sequence
take place.

2056
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:00,280
And she's just like, what is
going on?

2057
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,840
What's happening here?
Yeah, I love the, I love little

2058
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:06,160
moments like that because it's
like, it's almost like playing

2059
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,480
off is like, oh, these these
guys think that they're in a

2060
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,040
musical and then this is like a
real person in the world, like

2061
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,040
what is going on?
These guys are original.

2062
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:15,600
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

2063
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:20,680
And then I mean really from
there, like you've got the we

2064
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:24,520
talked a little bit about the
The Tonight, the quintet version

2065
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:26,320
of tonight.
You know, by the end of that

2066
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:31,200
song, you have like, overlapping
and responding vocals that kind

2067
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:37,360
of are very, like, operatic and
just really well done.

2068
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:40,320
But yeah, that's a great
sequence.

2069
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:45,480
And that one I think displays
like, you know, I always talk

2070
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,080
about like Spielberg
distinctives, like things that

2071
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,320
like Spielberg does really well.
And I think the kind of sense of

2072
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:57,480
geography when Spielberg's like
on his A game, his like sense of

2073
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:00,400
geography, whether it's like a
action set piece or something

2074
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:03,480
like this is just top notch.
And I think you never like

2075
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:07,320
really lose a sense of where
characters are or where they're

2076
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:09,840
going through this whole
sequence, even though you're

2077
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,520
following like 5 different
people or groups through the

2078
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:15,720
city.
So definitely Spielberg there.

2079
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:19,840
And then, yeah, then there's the
Rumble, which is not a musical

2080
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:24,120
piece, but is a very like well
done sequence.

2081
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:29,640
I think one of the things that I
think I wrote down was Riff and

2082
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,640
Bernardo.
So when Riff and Bernardo get

2083
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:37,640
into the knife fight, they both
like just acting wise are like

2084
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:42,920
really putting off the energy of
not it's not so much even that

2085
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,720
they are like out for blood in
that moment.

2086
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,480
What they both, the energy they
both put off is that like,

2087
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:51,240
they're both scared for their
lives.

2088
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,880
And I think that's like so well,
well done.

2089
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:01,200
Yeah, like, like, they almost
don't want to be there, but

2090
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:03,720
like, either them back down at
that point, right.

2091
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:07,880
And I also, man, you know, it's
kind of one of those movies when

2092
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:10,200
you watch it and you're just
like, come on.

2093
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,120
Oh, guys, just talk.
Just just work it out like no

2094
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:17,160
one asked to die, you know?
And yeah, and I and I love, I

2095
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:21,080
love when when Tony, he gets in
there, he starts trying to talk.

2096
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:25,080
He's trying to break it up.
I will say, I think the one, the

2097
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:28,120
one thing about the movie that
sometimes just a little off to

2098
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:33,000
me is that Tony, he doesn't
really like, it's like he, he

2099
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,000
kind of feels like he goes back
and forth that if he wants to

2100
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,760
stop the rumble or not because
he he seems like he's like,

2101
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,680
yeah, I want to stop the rumble.
But there, there's so many

2102
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,640
scenes where he like, it's just
letting stuff happen.

2103
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:45,200
It's like, wow, why don't you
like push a little bit harder?

2104
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:48,720
So I, I, I, I even in this
scene, you know, he starts

2105
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:51,560
trying to break it up and then
not and then yeah, and then not.

2106
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:53,840
And I love that.
I love whenever, you know, kind

2107
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,640
of Bernardo starts hitting him
and he's just like taking it.

2108
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,080
He's just like, no, dude, I want
to fight you.

2109
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,280
No, I don't want to fight you.
And then finally, like, dude,

2110
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:01,600
something snaps.
Yeah.

2111
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:02,840
Yeah.
Yeah, once.

2112
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:06,840
Well, after Riff gets stabbed,
you know, he just, Yeah, blacks

2113
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,960
out and just goes for it, you
know?

2114
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:13,320
Yeah, the the former self comes
out, I guess you can say.

2115
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:15,800
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
It's before Riff gets stabbed.

2116
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,280
He starts beating Bernardo,
right?

2117
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:22,200
And then he realizes what he's
doing, decides to walk away, and

2118
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:24,080
then kind of in the aftermath of
that.

2119
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:26,920
That's when the knife falls on
the floor and then they Right.

2120
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:31,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And one of the other things that

2121
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:35,280
I noticed like just camera wise
is it almost feels like the

2122
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,800
camera is like bobbing and
weaving through the once the

2123
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:42,320
fight big once all the fighting
breaks out, the cameras doing

2124
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:45,920
like some bobbing and weaving
through the fight too, which is

2125
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,280
which is cool works.
Makes you feel very visceral,

2126
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,440
that whole scene.
Oh, yeah, for sure.

2127
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:53,520
Yeah.
And then they talked to about

2128
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:57,480
like people were actually like
tearing up and crying on set

2129
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:01,120
after because, I mean, they're
watching Riff and Bernardo die

2130
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:03,880
several times for different, you
know, different takes or

2131
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,800
whatever.
And very like, it wasn't just

2132
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:09,680
let's get the shot done.
It was, there was a there's a

2133
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:13,400
real like visceral feeling in
the in the atmosphere or what

2134
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:16,920
they were shooting it too that I
think comes across, you know,

2135
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:24,560
But yeah.
And then one of the things that

2136
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:30,720
is like off putting is how you
go from the rumble to I feel

2137
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:34,200
pretty, Yeah.
And I'm.

2138
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,840
Going to be honest, not a song I
love.

2139
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:42,760
Yeah, that's.
I mean, I guess it makes sense,

2140
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:44,480
but it does kind of feel out of
place.

2141
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:46,960
I will say I think what's
interesting about this song

2142
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:51,760
though, is if all the songs from
this musical I think I like.

2143
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:55,120
There's two things from West
Side Story that I think are very

2144
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:57,080
out in the the cultural
scientist.

2145
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,160
The thing you already?
Talked about the the snapping

2146
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:01,720
and dancing and then this song,
because while we're watching it,

2147
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,440
miRNA was like, is this from
this movie?

2148
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:08,320
I was like, yeah, as far as I
know, it's original to West Side

2149
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,880
Story.
And I because I think this, I

2150
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:13,480
feel pretty, oh so pretty.
I think that that's just like a

2151
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,120
yeah, a thing that's just out
there in the culture.

2152
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:17,960
Like people are familiar with
that line.

2153
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:21,160
I probably first heard that from
Adam Sandler in Something.

2154
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:24,320
What does he?
He sings that in something, I

2155
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:26,640
think.
I think it's like, it's like a

2156
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:30,200
sound trend maybe or yeah, I
think it's a sound trend that's

2157
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:33,440
gone trendy on like TikTok at
one point or something like

2158
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:34,560
that.
And it's just one of those like,

2159
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:37,920
like people don't know it's from
this.

2160
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:41,440
Yeah, like from West Side Story.
You know, what's funny about I

2161
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,760
Feel Pretty is that Sondheim
hated that song he talked about.

2162
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,840
Yeah.
Well, he talked about like he

2163
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,400
was young when he wrote these
songs.

2164
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:54,760
And a lot of the music lyrically
is like very simple, like very

2165
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:58,680
simple rhyme schemes.
And so he was like, it was one

2166
02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:01,040
of those things where he felt
like, I'm young.

2167
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:04,200
Like in hindsight, I guess
looking back, he's like, I just

2168
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:08,720
was kind of trying to show I can
do other stuff too in my lyrics.

2169
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:12,000
And so he's doing more
complicated rhyme schemes a

2170
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,440
little bit more like, you know,
you have some of that in this

2171
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:16,760
song.
And so yeah.

2172
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:22,400
And so but then like even before
they they put it out, he had

2173
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,640
already kind of like thought
like, I actually don't feel like

2174
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:27,760
these characters would speak
this way.

2175
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:32,400
It doesn't really fit like the
character, the characterization.

2176
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:36,200
And so he actually, I think I
can't remember if he actually

2177
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:41,400
rewrote the song to be different
or if he like wanted to do that.

2178
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:45,560
But the the other three guys
already liked it and they didn't

2179
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:47,480
want to get rid of it by that
point.

2180
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:50,120
So it ended up in the in the
final product.

2181
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:54,880
But he even before the the
musical came out, he like had

2182
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:58,280
decided he didn't like the song
and wanted to get rid of it so.

2183
02:04:58,640 --> 02:05:01,400
Have you ever seen Jesus Christ
Superstar I?

2184
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:04,160
Haven't it's been on the list
but I haven't seen it.

2185
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:06,960
Yeah, well, again, great.
Another great.

2186
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:10,280
Like, like musical, like a rock
opera, like a true rock opera.

2187
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:12,920
I was like almost no verbal
dialogue.

2188
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:16,640
Almost everything is sung.
I feel pretty to me, kind of

2189
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:19,360
feels like there's a song in
that movie.

2190
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:22,120
I think it's called I don't know
how to love him, but I don't

2191
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:23,600
know.
But it's sung by Mary Magdalene.

2192
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:26,360
At one point in in the musical.
It's kind of the same thing

2193
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:29,920
where it just, it kind of just
grinds everything to a halt.

2194
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:31,920
Yeah.
And if you're like, if this was

2195
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:35,120
cut out of the movie, everything
else could still happen and be

2196
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:36,480
fine.
Yeah.

2197
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:38,880
You know, it, it is fun to kind
of see Rachel Ziegler having

2198
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:40,520
some fun.
And I guess it kind of it it's a

2199
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:43,680
good way of showing like her
innocence that she's just in

2200
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:46,560
such a complete headspace and
her brother just died, you know,

2201
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,800
and and it it's a good it's kind
of an interesting juxtaposition

2202
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:53,960
to what happens right after with
Chino tells her what happens.

2203
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:55,560
But.
But it is one of those things

2204
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:58,480
where it's like, I feel like
it's the very it's very obvious

2205
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:01,360
that if this was cut, nobody
would know.

2206
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:03,720
And everything.
Yeah, everything could still

2207
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,920
move the way that it does.
I think at one point they had

2208
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:13,440
considered cutting it, but Tony
Kushner like really wanted to

2209
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:18,000
keep it in and wanted it to like
be thrown in like right after

2210
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:22,760
the rumble.
I think he felt like the the

2211
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:28,920
like whiplash of it was like
profound in some way of like all

2212
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:32,040
of this is happening.
And then you cut to this and it

2213
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:35,080
there's like this, it's kind of
off putting.

2214
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:39,560
So like even as you're watching
the song and watching the, the

2215
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:43,360
joy on screen and the the
happiness, you know in the back

2216
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,360
of your mind that it's not going
to last.

2217
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:51,080
And so I think he wanted you to
have that feeling for that song.

2218
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:54,560
And so I kind of get it.
It is a fun song.

2219
02:06:54,560 --> 02:07:00,680
It's it's fun to watch and it
like and I think moving it from

2220
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:05,040
like the I think in their the
original adaptation, it's like

2221
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:10,080
in the what the Taylor kind of
shop with Anita and stuff.

2222
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:13,680
And and I do like that they
moved it to the gimbals which

2223
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:17,920
which was a fun to play around
in the set and everything.

2224
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:19,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's just kind of goofing off

2225
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:22,920
at work a little bit, yeah.
Yeah, but I do, I agree with

2226
02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:25,320
you.
But I do also like appreciate

2227
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:30,640
like what Kushner was going for
with like having that like kind

2228
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:34,720
of like knowing in the back of
your mind what's really coming

2229
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:38,280
down the line while you're
watching this, having that in

2230
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:39,840
the back of your head the whole
time.

2231
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:43,760
And that the uneasiness I guess
that that brings.

2232
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:48,720
And it kind of even makes the
when it when she finally gets

2233
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:52,440
the news, it makes it a little
bit even more bitter because you

2234
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:57,200
just saw how happy she was.
I think all of that does give it

2235
02:07:57,200 --> 02:08:02,720
some credence to like be like
there is a good reason for it to

2236
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,440
be there.
But in general, I think I do

2237
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:08,960
agree with you.
Like it wouldn't change a ton to

2238
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,320
to take it out either.
Hello.

2239
02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:15,600
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2240
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2241
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2243
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2246
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Now back to the show.

2248
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:54,520
Another song we haven't really
talked about is Somewhere I

2249
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:59,360
Loved Somewhere in This and The
in the stage play, it's not sung

2250
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:02,240
by anything in particular and
it's actually like a ballet

2251
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,000
sequence.
And then and the original

2252
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:07,400
adaptation, Tony sings
somewhere.

2253
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:12,560
So I don't remember whose choice
it was to give this song to Rita

2254
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:15,120
Moreno, but it was a great
choice.

2255
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:18,680
She talked about how it's kind
of like this religious song of

2256
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:21,960
belief and hope, which I
definitely feel.

2257
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:26,680
And this is this is one of the
moments that like, I, I didn't

2258
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:30,040
like cry, but I was definitely
like misty eyed during this

2259
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:33,680
sequence.
And then I even maybe it got

2260
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:37,800
even more like misty eyed
watching the special features of

2261
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:40,480
them talking about it, seeing
her talk about it, and then

2262
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:45,560
hearing kind of the perspective
of like Spielberg and Tony

2263
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:48,040
Kushner of like why they made
the choice.

2264
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:52,360
And it's just like, you know, we
talked about Rita Moreno moved

2265
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:55,400
here when she was five years old
from Puerto Rico.

2266
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:59,160
She's lived through.
So she's over 80 years old and

2267
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:03,200
she's lived through so much.
And to have this song that's

2268
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:08,160
like this longing for somewhere
where the cruelness of the world

2269
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:13,120
is is gone and finally ended
some somewhere, someplace where

2270
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:17,280
we can just like be together and
live like in harmony with each

2271
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:20,440
other.
It's just like it's it's

2272
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:24,080
touching and heartbreaking and
all of the things all at the

2273
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:26,360
same time.
And so you have that.

2274
02:10:26,440 --> 02:10:31,800
It's not just like Valentina
feeling that as a character, but

2275
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:36,000
it even like watching the
special features and just like

2276
02:10:36,360 --> 02:10:40,720
seeing the context also of Rita
Moreno as an actress and the

2277
02:10:40,720 --> 02:10:43,680
relation.
They're the same feeling, the

2278
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,600
same experience made it even
more powerful, kind of like in

2279
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:51,800
reverse, you know, thinking back
on it, I love that sequence it.

2280
02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:55,160
I didn't do it this time, but
when I was telling my wife about

2281
02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:58,960
that, I choked up a little bit
just thinking about the how

2282
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:03,400
powerful and, and moving that
that sequence was.

2283
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,840
I don't know.
Did you have any?

2284
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:09,720
Did you feel that when you were
watching that at all?

2285
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,600
No, to be honest.
Yeah.

2286
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:16,040
For whatever reason completely
forgot this song is even in

2287
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,160
there.
Like I don't know why, but just.

2288
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,280
I can see that.
I think I think because it's

2289
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:22,800
it's it's I think it's because
it's, it's a pretty short one.

2290
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:25,880
It is.
It's and so and and.

2291
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:27,840
There's not, there's not a whole
lot going on in it.

2292
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:28,680
It's.
Right, right.

2293
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,200
There's just so much that
happens like right before and

2294
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:35,840
then right after that it just
and my my brain completely

2295
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:39,400
glazed over the fact that this
yeah, song occurs.

2296
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:43,920
So I I really don't have any
necessarily strong feelings.

2297
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,400
I'm worried the other about it.
But I mean, I do love Rita in

2298
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:48,160
the in the film.
I think she's a great addition.

2299
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:51,920
Yeah, yeah, it, yeah, I just
found it very like touching.

2300
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:56,120
But the next song also, it's
kind of like a combo of two

2301
02:11:56,120 --> 02:11:59,280
songs with a boy like that.
And I have a love.

2302
02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:05,760
It's it's kind of the thrashing
out of Anita against Maria when

2303
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:10,320
she catches, you know, her,
which that's the choice is still

2304
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:14,080
kind of hard to like wrap your
mind around of like she's

2305
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:17,120
sleeping with this guy right
Right after he murdered her

2306
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:20,160
brother.
That was just funny.

2307
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,560
It's just still hard for me to
buy.

2308
02:12:23,320 --> 02:12:25,120
My mirrorness said the same
thing.

2309
02:12:25,160 --> 02:12:28,080
That was like her biggest, her
biggest gripes with the movie

2310
02:12:28,080 --> 02:12:29,200
was #1.
It's the Romeo.

2311
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:31,360
Juliet problem, right?
Right.

2312
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,720
Her Her biggest issues with the
movie were, number one, it was a

2313
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:35,920
tragedy and not the sweet
romantic movie she was

2314
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:40,640
expecting.
And #2 that she's like, I feel

2315
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:44,400
like Maria just forgave him.
Like what?

2316
02:12:44,520 --> 02:12:46,480
And again, I'm, I'm like, yeah,
I mean, I don't know.

2317
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:48,760
It's young.
She's only 18.

2318
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:51,440
Her first real love.
You know, I was like, it's just

2319
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:55,200
like the notebook, you know,
like a very similar to that

2320
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:57,560
where where both those
characters kind of never really

2321
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:02,840
get over that, that that young
first love Ryan Gosling much

2322
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:06,440
more so to where he can't even
really live a functional life

2323
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,720
after after that whole
situation.

2324
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:13,800
So, but I agree.
I agree.

2325
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,160
It it is one of those things
that it's just one of those

2326
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:20,800
movie things or like you said,
the RJ problem where they they

2327
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:28,400
have to have a resolution.
You know, I, I think it also

2328
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:32,240
maybe helps, I'm going to be
honest, it's going to sound

2329
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:36,720
really dumb, but it's been a
while since I've seen a version

2330
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:42,120
of Romeo and Juliet.
And I think, am I wrong that

2331
02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:46,000
it's like her cousin that, that
it's killed, not her brother.

2332
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:51,800
So yeah, think, I think it's a
little bit more maybe acceptable

2333
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:55,360
in a way in Romeo and Juliet,
but because it's her brother in

2334
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:57,200
this scenario.
Yeah, it.

2335
02:13:57,200 --> 02:14:00,120
Feels so much heavier.
Yeah.

2336
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:04,720
And there is like there's some
pretty strong antagonism between

2337
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:09,040
the two that is that is set up
throughout the movie between

2338
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:12,560
Maria and Bernardo.
And so like you have you have

2339
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:19,960
that in the in favor of Maria's.
There's also the vibe of like,

2340
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:25,200
Maria's very disapproving of his
gangster activities.

2341
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,480
It's very obvious that both her
and Anita are of the opinion

2342
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:32,640
that if you keep playing
gangster you're going to end up

2343
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:35,280
in jail.
Or worse, or get killed, yeah.

2344
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:39,920
Exactly so so not to say that
that it still doesn't make sense

2345
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,320
necessarily.
It's still a very magical movie

2346
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:44,280
moment.
But I do think, like you said,

2347
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:47,080
there is that antagonism there.
There is this understanding that

2348
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:50,240
like, it's not like her brother
is like her favorite person in

2349
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:53,840
the world necessarily.
It's, it's my only real quibble

2350
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,280
with the movie.
And it's not even the, the

2351
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:01,080
reason why, like I don't really
give much weight to it as a, as

2352
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:05,160
a quibble is because it's not
even really the movie's fault.

2353
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:09,120
It's just like this, the Romeo
and Juliet story structure.

2354
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:11,880
It's like, it's the, it's the
fault of that.

2355
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:16,640
It's the fault of like the, the
source of the source material.

2356
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:21,880
And so it's just like, I can't
even like fault Spielberg and

2357
02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:25,920
Kushner and the acting or I
can't really fault any of that.

2358
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:28,840
It's, it's Shakespeare's fault
at the end of the end of the

2359
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:31,200
day.
So thanks a lot, Shakespeare.

2360
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:34,320
Yeah, it's all Shakespeare's.
Fault that guy's.

2361
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:36,880
He was terrible.
Right.

2362
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:42,160
I mean, you know.
But yeah, so he might have been,

2363
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:44,120
who knows?
I will say this about this

2364
02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:47,120
quibble they do.
Spielberg in this movie does a

2365
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:50,520
ton to help me forgive that
quibble.

2366
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:54,880
One of the one of the ways he
does it is he doesn't cast

2367
02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:00,360
Richard Beamer and Natalie Wood.
He actually cast an 18 year old

2368
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,120
girl in the role.
And so that helps you buy it a

2369
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:06,000
little bit more.
She actually is young and so,

2370
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:09,160
you know, you kind of can buy
the kind of young glove things a

2371
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:12,160
little bit better.
I think Enzo Elgort sells his

2372
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:15,800
like infatuation with her really
well.

2373
02:16:16,040 --> 02:16:19,400
You have the like some of the
lines he gives like I stopped

2374
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:22,600
falling the second I saw you.
He delivers well the whole like

2375
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:27,480
see and pray thing and like
getting Valentina to help him

2376
02:16:27,480 --> 02:16:31,280
with the translation is like
really cute and like endearing.

2377
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:36,160
So like they do a lot of like
work on both sides to kind of

2378
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:39,959
like help you by the love.
We were chuckling quite a bit at

2379
02:16:39,959 --> 02:16:42,520
that scene and you're nervous
like, Oh my gosh, it's you.

2380
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:46,840
Because I've I've, I've, you
know, her being, you know, for

2381
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:49,680
your listeners, she's from
Guatemala.

2382
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:52,559
So we've had those same
conversations where I'm like,

2383
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:54,559
how would I say something like
this?

2384
02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:56,760
I'm like trying to figure out
like something sweet to say.

2385
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,200
Yeah.
In Spanish, you know?

2386
02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:00,320
Yeah.
And so it was really, I think

2387
02:17:00,320 --> 02:17:03,320
that was all honestly one of the
biggest things for me rewatching

2388
02:17:03,320 --> 02:17:07,280
this movie is like kind of like
experiencing this now with like

2389
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:10,879
dating a Latin woman and like
kind of experiencing this

2390
02:17:10,879 --> 02:17:14,959
different culture and like
trying to like trying to take on

2391
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:18,760
some of it of for myself to
like, you know, be able to like

2392
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:21,400
grow closer to her and her.
Family and meet her where she

2393
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:23,480
is.
Exactly, exactly.

2394
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,959
And so it is kind of interesting
that, you know, I've I've had a

2395
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:29,480
little bit of that same
experience.

2396
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,080
Yeah.
You know, which which is funny

2397
02:17:33,080 --> 02:17:35,360
because like the another movie
that recently that kind of kind

2398
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:38,959
of gave me the same kind of vibe
was we watched Nope to get not

2399
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:39,719
Nope.
I'm sorry.

2400
02:17:39,799 --> 02:17:41,040
Get out together.
Yeah.

2401
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:45,879
And specifically the scene where
everyone's over for the party

2402
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:48,160
and he's having to like go meet
these people and go meet these

2403
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,240
people, go meet these people.
And he's just like feeling very

2404
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,520
awkward.
I'm like, dude, that literally

2405
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:54,920
was like the first time I was
able to go visit her and like

2406
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:56,760
meet all of her family and
friends.

2407
02:17:56,760 --> 02:17:59,200
Exactly.
Like, I know a little bit of

2408
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:01,600
what it feels like to kind of be
everyone's there to see like,

2409
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,440
who is this, you know?
And so it's it's definitely

2410
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,480
interesting in this movie
specifically to kind of see him

2411
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:10,240
sitting down with with Valentina
and being like, how would I say

2412
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,120
this?
Yeah, OK, OK.

2413
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:13,520
And then he starts trying to
practice it.

2414
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:16,040
And I'm just like.
It's funny because like, I was

2415
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:19,400
listening, I don't remember
which, I was listening to some

2416
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:23,360
podcasts that came out at the
time of its release of people,

2417
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:25,680
like reviewing it.
And one of them was talking

2418
02:18:25,680 --> 02:18:30,040
about how, like, there's times
where you go back to like,

2419
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:33,600
something Ansel Elgort's doing.
And it really like, brings down

2420
02:18:33,600 --> 02:18:36,160
the energy of the movie.
And he gave that scene as an

2421
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,440
example.
And I was like, I just totally

2422
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:40,360
disagree.
I feel like it does.

2423
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:43,639
A lot to help you a Latina,
obviously.

2424
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:44,920
Yeah.
I I just feel like.

2425
02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:47,920
So the first thing you want to
do is learn how to say some some

2426
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:51,280
nice things in Spanish to make
them make them smile, you know?

2427
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:54,959
I thought it was a very like fun
and cute scene and you get this

2428
02:18:54,959 --> 02:18:57,840
like fun dynamic between him and
Valentina.

2429
02:18:58,480 --> 02:19:00,639
Yes.
Also she's a very, she's a very

2430
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:03,120
motherly figure.
Like she she wants to see Tony

2431
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,760
doing well.
So I don't know, I just I was

2432
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:08,040
like, I don't, I just disagree
with that take.

2433
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:10,400
I really enjoyed.
I thought that was a good like

2434
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:11,840
little character building
moment.

2435
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:16,040
And and then like, I think the
thing that helps helped the most

2436
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:21,559
maybe of all was you have the
boy like that, which has, you

2437
02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:27,520
know, Anita just like really
lashing out and she's like,

2438
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:31,240
it's, it's so good.
She has the I think Ariana

2439
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:34,680
Dubose talked about, she was
talking with Tesori, the the

2440
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:38,799
vocal producer and about like
having these like imperfections

2441
02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:42,200
and Anita's voice that kind of
come out where she's not like

2442
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,120
singing so clean and perfect,
but there's these, I don't know

2443
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,400
exactly like how she brings
those imperfections out, but you

2444
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:51,440
can feel it in like a song, like
a boy like.

2445
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:53,880
She's about to lose her
composure right the whole time.

2446
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:58,360
And so that's good.
And then you get, I have a love

2447
02:19:58,360 --> 02:20:05,160
and my, my goodness.
Like Zeigler tells me that she's

2448
02:20:05,880 --> 02:20:11,160
like in total infatuated love
with this guy and that she would

2449
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:13,400
sleep with him no matter what he
had done.

2450
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:17,320
And that to me was like.
That to me, like in the moment

2451
02:20:17,320 --> 02:20:19,560
when she's doing it, I'm like,
this makes no sense.

2452
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:22,080
Like, who would do this?
Like I, I can't believe this.

2453
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:26,120
But then she sings that song and
I'm like, OK, I, I guess.

2454
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:29,200
So.
It just goes back to another

2455
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:32,960
moment where Ziegler is just
like, so incredible in this

2456
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,560
movie.
Yeah, I I love, I love when

2457
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:40,320
she's like, can you forgive me?
And and he's just like, you

2458
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:41,960
can't ask me that.
Yeah.

2459
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:47,160
Well, you, yeah, no, she said
that about can you forgive him?

2460
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,720
And then for herself, she said
can you forgive me?

2461
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:54,560
And it's kind of like she
doesn't exactly answer, but kind

2462
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:57,160
of does.
And a yes, it's kind of like

2463
02:20:57,240 --> 02:21:01,520
you're going to have to leave
here, which is like maybe like a

2464
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,840
roundabout way of saying like, I
can forgive you, but you can't

2465
02:21:04,840 --> 02:21:09,080
stay sort of thing.
Because I I had written down in

2466
02:21:09,080 --> 02:21:13,760
my notes when I was watching
that scene that I was just like

2467
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:19,400
blown away with the capacity of
Anita for her to forgive Maria

2468
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:23,720
in that situation.
And like, yeah, she's like, I

2469
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:25,680
can't forgive Tony, but why?
Why?

2470
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,080
Why would she?
Or should she?

2471
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:28,880
You know, she doesn't know the
guy.

2472
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:35,520
But her capacity to like still
love and care for Maria in that

2473
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:37,400
moment.
I don't know.

2474
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:40,760
It just was, it hit me as very
like it was a very powerful

2475
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:44,880
thing for a person to do that.
I think it's, it's like really

2476
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:50,200
sold well in the moment too.
Yeah, I think also I, I do want

2477
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:53,200
to say one thing for me that I
remember when I watched this

2478
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:56,040
movie, I guess it'd been such a
long time that seen the original

2479
02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:58,200
play or the original film
version.

2480
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:02,160
There's a couple things that I,
I picked up on in the movie that

2481
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:05,920
kind of annoyed me at the time.
And then on the rewatch didn't

2482
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,160
annoy me.
I, I didn't remember it being as

2483
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:13,200
like annoying as it was.
And then also there's there's

2484
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:16,240
one particular moment that like
I thought they had added that I

2485
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,280
didn't realize was, has been in
it the whole time.

2486
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:23,640
So one thing is I've, I, I
remember, I mean, granted,

2487
02:22:23,640 --> 02:22:26,160
remember this movie came out
2021.

2488
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:31,960
We just gone through all like
the George Floyd stuff and you

2489
02:22:31,960 --> 02:22:38,080
know, like there was so much
talk online about, you know,

2490
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:41,640
racism, anti racism, all these
things, which of course, like,

2491
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:45,720
you know, I just want to say, I
guess racism, obviously, but but

2492
02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:49,280
I think it was at a point where
like the discourse had just

2493
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,760
become so toxic from both sides.
And like, and I remember

2494
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:54,960
watching this movie and like, I
felt like they were kind of

2495
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:58,240
playing into that somewhat.
And I remember getting annoyed

2496
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:00,040
by it with like the the
protective character.

2497
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:02,800
But then I'll rewatch.
I'm like, oh, wait, I don't know

2498
02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:05,600
why I thought that because it's
really not it.

2499
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:09,160
It's like it feels very normal,
the way that the detectives are

2500
02:23:09,160 --> 02:23:12,320
talking and everything.
Like, yeah, the one scene,

2501
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:15,880
though, that I was like, why did
they add this?

2502
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:19,680
And then I come to find out it
was even in the original

2503
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:21,400
musical.
It was in the original film

2504
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:24,120
adaptation.
And apparently when I was a kid,

2505
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:28,640
I watched the film adaptation.
I just did not even realize this

2506
02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:31,800
is what was happening.
Is the scene when Anita goes to

2507
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:36,560
docs to give a message to Tony
and all The Jets are there and

2508
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,120
they attempt to rape her.
Yeah.

2509
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:40,960
And I remember watching this in
the theater and I was like,

2510
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:43,520
that's that's so out of like
nowhere.

2511
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,560
Like, why would they do it?
Like, why would they put this in

2512
02:23:45,560 --> 02:23:46,880
the movie?
That doesn't make any sense.

2513
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:49,840
And then I did a little bit of
research and I realized like,

2514
02:23:49,960 --> 02:23:53,400
like I literally on my rewatch
the other day, I, I realized

2515
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:55,560
like that that's been in there
since the very beginning, which

2516
02:23:56,480 --> 02:24:03,080
very, very like progressive for
1957 to have a scene where they

2517
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:06,120
almost rape a woman in the in
your musical, like, well, like

2518
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:08,640
it's kind.
Of insane the big difference

2519
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:12,720
from the originals to this is
they actually like call it what

2520
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:16,760
it is in this one because you
know there's a little that's

2521
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:17,720
what it.
Was.

2522
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:21,160
There's a little bit of in those
old days, it's like there's

2523
02:24:21,160 --> 02:24:23,680
still kind of that boys will be
boys.

2524
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:28,080
Yeah, that icky kind of boys
will be boys kind of attitude

2525
02:24:28,400 --> 02:24:32,640
kind of that was still there.
They were definitely like they

2526
02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:36,160
were definitely doing it and
they I think they wrote it for

2527
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,240
it to be that.
But there.

2528
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,960
But it still was this time where
like you didn't call it what it

2529
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:45,960
was necessarily.
And in this one, she, like, I

2530
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:48,600
can't remember if it's Anita
herself or if it's Valentino.

2531
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:50,480
No, it's Valentina says.
She says.

2532
02:24:50,480 --> 02:24:52,000
Like, I don't know all of you
since you were young and you've

2533
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:53,880
grown up to be rapist which.
Rapist.

2534
02:24:53,880 --> 02:24:54,880
Yeah, I don't mean.
I don't know.

2535
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:58,560
I don't know what it is about
that particular line, but I

2536
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:00,680
remember what I watched in
theaters and I heard her say

2537
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:02,000
that.
And again, on the rewatch, I'm

2538
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,280
like, something about that line
just sounds.

2539
02:25:04,520 --> 02:25:07,640
I don't know, I just don't like
the delivery on that line or

2540
02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:09,920
something.
It's just weird to me.

2541
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:14,240
I don't know something about it.
But yeah, I mean, maybe that's

2542
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:17,360
why I didn't remember it from
the original film version,

2543
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:21,120
because they don't really play
into it and make it as obvious

2544
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:24,360
as what's here and what's what's
really interesting.

2545
02:25:24,400 --> 02:25:26,640
I I, I don't know how much else
you wanted to touch on before we

2546
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:29,040
get into some of the themes,
because there's lots to talk

2547
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:30,920
about with themes.
But I love.

2548
02:25:31,800 --> 02:25:35,680
And by love, I mean, it's very
sad, but it's I love how it's

2549
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:41,280
like the other women and the
parlor, when they when she gets

2550
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:47,240
there, they're just as willing
to play into the racism and the

2551
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:49,760
making fun of her and and all
this stuff.

2552
02:25:50,320 --> 02:25:53,200
But when they start seeing that
the The Jets are feeling a

2553
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:56,120
little bit of blood in the
water, they start trying to cool

2554
02:25:56,120 --> 02:25:58,080
the situation down.
Yeah.

2555
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:01,560
And then when they throw them
out and they start descending

2556
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:04,560
upon her and Grazi's like
banging on the window, like, Oh

2557
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:07,640
my God, please don't hurt her.
Don't hurt because in that woman

2558
02:26:07,640 --> 02:26:09,400
at that moment.
Yeah.

2559
02:26:10,320 --> 02:26:12,200
She finally, like, becomes an
actual.

2560
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:14,720
Well, yeah, exactly.
She becomes a person to her.

2561
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:17,040
Yeah, Before that she's just
whatever.

2562
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:21,000
But in that moment, she's like
woman to woman, like, please

2563
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:24,040
don't do this, You know, Which I
I think is really plays into the

2564
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:27,520
fact that like you kind of said
earlier, like there is so much

2565
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,280
these two groups have in common.
Yeah.

2566
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:35,360
And they and they, but they
just, they just refuse to see

2567
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:38,480
eye to eye.
In a way, I think you could

2568
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:41,640
argue that the Sharks are
probably a little bit more

2569
02:26:41,640 --> 02:26:45,120
willing to find common ground
and The Jets are kind of more of

2570
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:49,040
the the antagonistic ones.
Yeah, but but I do.

2571
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:52,480
But at least overall, I think
there are like certain people,

2572
02:26:52,480 --> 02:26:56,080
like Bernardo obviously is very
he's got a very like anti white

2573
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:58,160
bias.
But but obviously so because I

2574
02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:01,560
mean, like, yeah, I don't want,
you know, Maria, you're not

2575
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:04,120
allowed to date an Americano and
all this kind of stuff.

2576
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:07,960
He's mad at Tony for even
looking at her, you know, and

2577
02:27:07,960 --> 02:27:10,920
and all this kind of stuff.
And, and I'm sure, I mean,

2578
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:14,080
obviously he has his reasons for
not trusting people in that

2579
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:17,720
situation, but right.
But it is kind of a just, it's

2580
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:21,560
just classic story of like, man,
you all are both like both of

2581
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:23,840
y'all's groups are being played
by the same people, which are

2582
02:27:23,880 --> 02:27:27,680
the people, yeah, who are trying
to demolish this neighborhood to

2583
02:27:28,120 --> 02:27:30,160
build these luxury apartments,
right.

2584
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:31,880
You know.
Lincoln Center.

2585
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:36,560
Exactly.
And, and as well as like a lot

2586
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:40,680
of the themes in this movie, in
this musical, like in the

2587
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:44,160
lyrics, you look at the lyrics
for the song America.

2588
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:47,320
And the whole time that song's
happening, Mirren is laughing.

2589
02:27:47,360 --> 02:27:49,840
And we were talking.
It's like a lot of the stuff

2590
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,200
they talk about that song are
kind of still the same today.

2591
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:54,560
Yeah.
Yeah.

2592
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:59,400
And we're like, we're like what?
Like almost 6060 years later,

2593
02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:03,960
seven years later, what, 672027
will be what, 6070 or something

2594
02:28:03,960 --> 02:28:07,880
like that.
And yeah, it's just, it's just

2595
02:28:07,880 --> 02:28:12,520
kind of crazy to think that like
something written in 1957 is

2596
02:28:12,520 --> 02:28:18,600
sadly still as, if not more
relevant today than it was at

2597
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:20,920
the time.
And that's been a through line

2598
02:28:20,920 --> 02:28:23,320
in this.
So in this kind of stretch of

2599
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:26,560
Spielberg's career, which you
know, several of these movies

2600
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:30,360
he's worked with with Kushner on
now there's this through line of

2601
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:35,960
like Bridge of Spies, Lincoln,
The Post, this movie where

2602
02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:40,040
they're kind of like their
movies set in the past in this

2603
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:44,440
like political moment.
And in this one, it's a little

2604
02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:47,600
bit more like political
undertones, whereas the rest of

2605
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:51,600
them it's like the overtone is
political, but that are like and

2606
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:54,920
even like Munich, going all the
way back to Munich, which was

2607
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:59,000
when he first worked with
Kushner that like speak so

2608
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:01,560
relevant to today.
That's not it's.

2609
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,760
It's like a.
It's disconcerting, you know,

2610
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:05,320
it's, it's sad.
You know.

2611
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:10,600
And you know, it, it speaks a
lot to, I guess like the human

2612
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:13,200
problem of it all.
But yeah, it, I can't remember

2613
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:17,840
who said it in the special
features, but somebody, I don't

2614
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:20,640
know if it was Kushner or
Spielberg or who.

2615
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:24,600
I wish I had noted who said it,
but they said the xenophobes of

2616
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:26,600
today are the immigrants of
yesterday.

2617
02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:29,680
And I thought that was such a
good line that speaks to like

2618
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:32,800
this, what we're talking about,
of like how they have more in

2619
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:34,960
common than they think.
They're both, they're both

2620
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:37,120
immigrants.
They both have the same enemy,

2621
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:41,880
which is the people in power
that are like taking advantage

2622
02:29:41,880 --> 02:29:44,360
of them.
You know, they're they're both

2623
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:48,280
fighting over something that's
already lost in a lot of ways.

2624
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:49,960
They're, you know, Spielberg
said.

2625
02:29:49,960 --> 02:29:52,720
They're both fighting under the
shadow of the Wrecking Ball is

2626
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:58,200
the way he put it.
And yeah, you know, it's, it's

2627
02:29:58,200 --> 02:30:00,800
just, it's sad.
Yeah, it's it's sad.

2628
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:04,200
And it's it's hard to kind of
like reckon with how.

2629
02:30:04,880 --> 02:30:08,120
Yeah.
And it does really all culminate

2630
02:30:08,120 --> 02:30:12,760
like in that finale.
You know, you have you have

2631
02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:16,520
Chino who feels who I do
appreciate what they did with

2632
02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:18,000
him.
They made him a little bit more

2633
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:22,720
of a character and, you know, he
feels like he has no choice but

2634
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:25,800
to do what he does in killing
Tony and then like.

2635
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:29,400
I do think it's, it's
interesting too about that real

2636
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:33,120
quick because it's like he tells
Bernardo at one point, you're

2637
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:34,640
you're the best friend I've ever
had.

2638
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:37,680
And Bernardo says, oh, you're
like the smartest friend I've

2639
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:39,600
ever had.
And so it you definitely get the

2640
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,920
vibe that like Chino's like, oh,
Bernardo's my best friend and

2641
02:30:42,920 --> 02:30:44,920
Bernardo's just like Chino's
just some guy.

2642
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:48,880
You know, well what's
interesting, you know, before I

2643
02:30:49,440 --> 02:30:53,760
continue the point I was going
on, you know, you mentioned the

2644
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:58,320
moment where Grazi and and I
think Velma is the other girl's

2645
02:30:58,320 --> 02:30:59,720
name.
They're like banging on the

2646
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:01,560
door.
They have that moment of like

2647
02:31:02,480 --> 02:31:07,920
connection to one of the, you
know, there's also other subtle

2648
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,720
moments in the film where
there's there's that sort of

2649
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:12,680
like connection.
One of them is.

2650
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:15,600
The dance when they're like,
both sides are like, we just

2651
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,640
wanted to dance.
Like the dance?

2652
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:21,680
About all this gangster stuff.
Yeah, the dance is 1A more

2653
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:26,080
obvious one, but another subtle
1 is when Tony and Chino get to

2654
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:27,680
the rumble at the same time
late.

2655
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:30,600
They help each other open the
garage door to get in.

2656
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:33,320
They have this like moment where
they like make make eye contact

2657
02:31:33,320 --> 02:31:35,480
and they're they kind of have
this moment of like

2658
02:31:35,480 --> 02:31:38,040
understanding.
We're both showing up.

2659
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:40,560
We don't want this to happen.
And we're going to try to talk

2660
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:45,360
our side out of it.
There's you know, we can move

2661
02:31:45,360 --> 02:31:50,080
past this sort of it's all
communicated non verbally, but

2662
02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:56,400
it's definitely there And then
for the movie to just end the

2663
02:31:56,400 --> 02:32:00,640
way it is, you know, with with
Ziegler, when she has when Maria

2664
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:06,080
has the gun and she's just like
I I hate now you know you.

2665
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:08,680
Feel, I love the way she feels
that line, Yeah.

2666
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:12,120
But the way she delivers, she's
like, wait, I hate now.

2667
02:32:12,480 --> 02:32:14,800
Yeah.
Like, like she's like realizing

2668
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:19,800
it for herself, you know?
Yeah, the, the innocence is, you

2669
02:32:19,800 --> 02:32:23,440
know, is gone.
And then like Tony Kushner made

2670
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:28,080
the choice and the original, she
sings part of somewhere to him

2671
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:30,840
as he's dying.
And he felt like that wasn't,

2672
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:35,160
that didn't feel right that she
wouldn't be singing about this

2673
02:32:35,160 --> 02:32:38,640
hopeful future to him in that
moment.

2674
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:42,000
And so instead he has her seeing
part of tonight.

2675
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:46,800
And it's more this idea of I'm
losing you, but I'll hold you in

2676
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:51,160
my memory forever instead of
like a looking forward.

2677
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:53,040
It's kind of like this memory
feeling.

2678
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:57,400
And I thought that was a really
a really like profound choice to

2679
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,840
to make that change.
I think it.

2680
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:04,880
It's like this.
We need to remember the past.

2681
02:33:05,160 --> 02:33:08,720
We need to remember, we need to
hold this in our memory so that

2682
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,440
we don't make the same mistake
moving forward sort of thing.

2683
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:14,760
Yeah.
And I think, you know, Speaking

2684
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:16,320
of like things that that could
change.

2685
02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:18,960
I think one of the one of the
things that was a controversial

2686
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:21,400
decision at the time.
And I think when I originally

2687
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:24,360
saw this film, I found kind of
distracting.

2688
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:27,600
But on a rewatch, not so much.
I think is a is the fact that

2689
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,840
there's no subtitles when
Spanish is being spoken.

2690
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:32,680
And, and I think honestly, if
I'm being honest, I think it's

2691
02:33:32,680 --> 02:33:36,480
because I'm so much, so much
more used to hearing Spanish

2692
02:33:36,480 --> 02:33:40,840
now, Yeah, have dating, dating
a, a Latin woman from, from,

2693
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:44,480
from Guatemala, having been
there several Times Now to like

2694
02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:46,560
spend time with her and her
family and just being like

2695
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:50,000
everyone speak, you know, a lot
of people speak span, speak

2696
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,120
English, you know, when, when
we're, when we're together.

2697
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:55,800
But obviously everywhere we go,
there's Spanish being spoken.

2698
02:33:56,240 --> 02:34:00,680
So just becoming so much more of
like familiar with hearing it

2699
02:34:00,680 --> 02:34:04,560
and working on learning it, it
was not nearly as distracting.

2700
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:09,800
But I do remember when I saw
this at the theater, like there

2701
02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:12,160
was a part of me, if I'm honest,
was a little annoyed because I'm

2702
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:15,600
like, I mean, I get why, but you
kind of like put something in

2703
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:17,240
there.
But then I but I think I noticed

2704
02:34:17,240 --> 02:34:21,120
that there was a lot more
Spanglish than actual just pure

2705
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:22,320
Spanish so.
Yeah.

2706
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:26,440
And even like when there is just
like pure Spanish lines being

2707
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:31,160
spoken, you kind of, you kind of
know like what they're saying

2708
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:32,800
even though.
You don't.

2709
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:37,440
Understand the words because
it's all like contextual, but I

2710
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:40,560
do I I appreciate the choice.
It's it's not the first time

2711
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:44,480
Spielberg's done that.
He has a lot of honestly, like

2712
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:47,880
most of the movies where you
have like kind of saw other

2713
02:34:47,880 --> 02:34:51,200
languages being spoken on the
side and not like important

2714
02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:54,320
lines being spoken.
He doesn't ever subtitle, but it

2715
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:57,680
is in this one.
The there does feel like there's

2716
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:01,200
a purpose to it because all
throughout the movie, what do

2717
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,520
the white people keep saying,
like speak English?

2718
02:35:04,840 --> 02:35:09,520
And so it like not subtitling.
It kind of emphasizes that, like

2719
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:12,960
rebellion, rebelliousness
against that to me.

2720
02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:14,480
So, yeah, yeah.
Totally.

2721
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:19,120
Agree.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's

2722
02:35:19,120 --> 02:35:22,440
really the movie.
I I really like the devastating

2723
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:24,840
and I mean, I don't like the
devastating ending.

2724
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:30,040
I guess I should say it's but it
is appropriately devastating, I

2725
02:35:30,040 --> 02:35:34,320
think.
But there, I mean, there is a

2726
02:35:34,320 --> 02:35:38,440
tinge of hope because you do
have finally because of a

2727
02:35:38,440 --> 02:35:42,200
tragedy them kind of like
finally laying aside differences

2728
02:35:42,200 --> 02:35:46,360
for once.
So I guess there's like a small

2729
02:35:46,360 --> 02:35:50,600
tinge of hope, but it is small,
Yeah.

2730
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:56,440
Because here we are in 2025 with
a lot of the same problems, you

2731
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:57,200
know.
Yeah.

2732
02:35:57,240 --> 02:36:00,400
Am I the only one that, like,
low key feels like a little bad

2733
02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:02,120
for Chino at the end of the
movie?

2734
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:05,960
Yeah, yes, he killed Pony, but
also like, yeah, he's like the

2735
02:36:05,960 --> 02:36:08,760
only person that has to face the
consequences of his action.

2736
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:12,800
Yeah, the cops show up.
Everybody else is like snuck off

2737
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:14,760
down an alley.
With, I'm sure they were.

2738
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:17,600
They were they were a little bit
too excited to to throw him into

2739
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:20,320
the slammer, I'm sure.
Oh, yeah, for sure.

2740
02:36:20,320 --> 02:36:22,400
That that that was the.
It's like the one thing.

2741
02:36:22,400 --> 02:36:25,480
I'm just like, man, appreciate
him, man, come on.

2742
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:31,200
Like, like, you know, yeah, he
killed Tony, but he can't be the

2743
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:33,240
only person that has to face the
consequences that.

2744
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:38,680
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yes.

2745
02:36:38,680 --> 02:36:43,880
I mean, this movie we, you know,
it was dedicated to Arnold

2746
02:36:43,880 --> 02:36:49,480
Spielberg, who died in August of
2020 at the age of 103.

2747
02:36:51,960 --> 02:36:56,040
But also another big thing that
happened was in late November,

2748
02:36:56,240 --> 02:37:00,280
Stephen Sondheim died.
And so, you know, he got to be a

2749
02:37:00,280 --> 02:37:02,960
part of the production of this
movie, Spielberg said.

2750
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:06,560
He was at every like, vocal
recording session they did.

2751
02:37:07,160 --> 02:37:08,920
Sondheim was there.
So he was.

2752
02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:10,440
Out of pressure, but that's
awesome.

2753
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:18,000
He was all up in the business
for it and and you know, it's is

2754
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:22,280
like for promotional material
for the movie with Sondheim

2755
02:37:22,280 --> 02:37:25,040
saying like that he really loves
what Spielberg did and it was

2756
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:26,640
great.
So you kind of have to take it

2757
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,640
with a grain of salt, but like,
I guess he doesn't have to say

2758
02:37:29,640 --> 02:37:32,680
that if he doesn't think it so.
I'm sure he wouldn't have been

2759
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:35,280
around for every session if he
didn't want to be involved,

2760
02:37:35,360 --> 02:37:36,880
right?
He thought it was terrible, you

2761
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:37,640
know?
Yeah.

2762
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:41,960
So, so you know, that that kind
of like gave a little bit more

2763
02:37:41,960 --> 02:37:44,640
heft to the movie, the
importance of it.

2764
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:49,920
But it did release December 10th
of 2021, kind of like in that

2765
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,480
period where you're still hoping
like, oh, there's a Spielberg

2766
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:55,200
movie released in the theaters.
Maybe we'll get another big

2767
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:58,720
thrust of people back to
theaters after COVID.

2768
02:37:58,720 --> 02:38:01,960
But, you know, musicals aren't
necessarily a thing that draw

2769
02:38:01,960 --> 02:38:04,520
everybody.
There's a lot of people that are

2770
02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:08,200
kind of like allergic a little
bit to musicals.

2771
02:38:08,200 --> 02:38:11,760
There's not really like a young
audience pool because like how

2772
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:14,560
much of A young audience are
like can have a connection to

2773
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:19,520
West Side Story and this.
It really ended up being 1 of

2774
02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:22,120
Spielberg's biggest commercial
failures.

2775
02:38:23,240 --> 02:38:26,920
I think a lot, you know, due to
a lot of factors.

2776
02:38:26,960 --> 02:38:30,240
The main 1 still being probably
people just weren't going back

2777
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:34,720
to the theater quite yet.
It only made $76,000,000 and I

2778
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:39,560
think the budget was over 100
million, so not great.

2779
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:41,960
It did open.
Spielberg, you can eat that,

2780
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:44,040
yeah.
It yeah, absolutely.

2781
02:38:44,040 --> 02:38:48,680
It did open number one in the
theaters to $10 million, which

2782
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:51,520
does not happen now.
Thank God.

2783
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:55,120
Movies are not opening #1 to $10
million anymore.

2784
02:38:55,400 --> 02:38:58,520
We're getting back to, we're
back to a little bit better than

2785
02:38:58,520 --> 02:39:03,360
that.
But but yeah, I mean, but then

2786
02:39:03,360 --> 02:39:05,920
again, the next week, Spider
Man, No Way Home came out and

2787
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:10,040
that was unprecedented
commercial success, so.

2788
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:15,120
Let me let me tell you talk
about a terrible release window.

2789
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:17,160
Yeah.
I mean, this this is right up

2790
02:39:17,160 --> 02:39:21,200
there with one of the ones that
I always think about is, I think

2791
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:24,360
a really underrated action
comedy directed by John

2792
02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:26,800
Mctiernan, who did The Predator,
who did.

2793
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:29,200
Yeah.
A die hard.

2794
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,080
Yeah.
Great Arnold sports theater

2795
02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:33,000
film, last action hero, great
movie.

2796
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:34,960
Jurassic, Really kind of kind of
kind of.

2797
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:36,760
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I think it was.

2798
02:39:37,240 --> 02:39:39,960
Was it the same week?
It was either the week before,

2799
02:39:39,960 --> 02:39:42,920
the same week or the week after
Jurassic Park, one of those 3.

2800
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:46,640
So I guess it was Spielberg's
term to experience that because

2801
02:39:46,640 --> 02:39:51,560
he he made that movie flop and
it's actually such a gem really

2802
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:53,320
ahead of its time.
I think when it comes to like

2803
02:39:53,320 --> 02:39:58,240
spoofing, like the action kind
of movies and stuff, but it

2804
02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:00,240
happens sometimes.
I mean, you know, you can't

2805
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:03,400
always bet on that because
sometimes a movie is a surprise

2806
02:40:03,400 --> 02:40:05,800
success and it overshadows
yours.

2807
02:40:05,800 --> 02:40:07,800
But this is this is what happens
a lot of times with these kind

2808
02:40:07,800 --> 02:40:09,720
of big art or films, kind of
things.

2809
02:40:09,720 --> 02:40:12,720
Like I, I was really, really
worried about this happening

2810
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:16,000
with Dune because I really
wanted to like have the complete

2811
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:17,920
story.
And I was so happy when it was

2812
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:21,160
like, I think it was like the
day before Dune was released.

2813
02:40:21,160 --> 02:40:24,480
They officially greenlit Part 2.
Yeah, finally or like the day

2814
02:40:24,480 --> 02:40:27,440
after or something.
And Dune 2 almost.

2815
02:40:27,960 --> 02:40:31,080
Kind of became a cultural
phenomenon meme in a way, and

2816
02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:34,200
like surpassed.
I I literally, I literally went

2817
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:39,720
to go see Dune Part 2 at the
Britannia Theatre on 70

2818
02:40:39,720 --> 02:40:42,400
millimetre film.
And I think it was either right

2819
02:40:42,400 --> 02:40:46,360
before or after the showing.
These guys that were near me,

2820
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:48,440
one of them was like, yeah, I
didn't watch the first part.

2821
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:52,320
What?
What, so like that?

2822
02:40:52,320 --> 02:40:54,560
That's the power of Dune 2.
And I'm so glad we're getting

2823
02:40:54,560 --> 02:40:58,400
Dude Messiah now as well.
But yeah, but it's just, it is

2824
02:40:58,400 --> 02:41:00,000
one of those things where it
just happens.

2825
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,840
But you know, luckily, when
you're someone like Steven

2826
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:03,520
Spielberg, you're allowed to
have a flop.

2827
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:06,000
You can eat it.
And it's at a point as a career

2828
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:09,000
where the flops don't matter
quite as much because he's

2829
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:12,120
Steven Spielberg.
But like for me revisiting in

2830
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:15,680
this and just like absolutely
loving it, it just kind of makes

2831
02:41:15,680 --> 02:41:20,160
me sad that it came out in a in
a time in theater going history

2832
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:22,240
where people just weren't going
to the theater.

2833
02:41:23,720 --> 02:41:25,960
I, I think I was telling, I
don't think I said mentioned

2834
02:41:25,960 --> 02:41:29,480
this on Mike, but we were
talking beforehand and I was

2835
02:41:29,480 --> 02:41:32,480
trying to remember if I had seen
it in theaters and I thought I

2836
02:41:32,480 --> 02:41:34,480
had.
But then I looked at my

2837
02:41:34,480 --> 02:41:41,320
letterbox log and I didn't see
it until later in March of 2022

2838
02:41:42,200 --> 02:41:44,200
after it had already released on
digital.

2839
02:41:44,200 --> 02:41:48,080
So then I was second guessing
maybe I did wait till it was out

2840
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:51,560
on digital, go see it.
I wasn't going to the theater

2841
02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:54,400
quite as much back then as I am
as I.

2842
02:41:54,400 --> 02:41:58,640
When was your your kid born?
2019.

2843
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:00,760
But OK, so they're so they're
OK.

2844
02:42:01,080 --> 02:42:02,440
I didn't know it was around that
time.

2845
02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:06,400
No, no.
So we, you know, we, we still

2846
02:42:06,400 --> 02:42:12,280
like, I go see a lot of movies
at theaters and my wife will go

2847
02:42:12,320 --> 02:42:16,320
when it's something like West
Side Story, like a musical or

2848
02:42:16,320 --> 02:42:21,680
like we saw Freakier Friday the
other day, you know, kind of a

2849
02:42:22,480 --> 02:42:25,800
nostalgic movie from our past
legacy equal kind of thing.

2850
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:28,960
She'll go see stuff like that.
But yeah, yeah, I just, I can't

2851
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:33,720
remember if I saw it in theaters
or not, but but yeah, this one,

2852
02:42:33,720 --> 02:42:36,880
I mean, it, it got, it was
received well.

2853
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:41,560
It got 7 Oscar nominations,
production design, sound,

2854
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:44,480
costumes, cinematography,
directing.

2855
02:42:44,920 --> 02:42:47,040
It didn't get the best picture
nomination.

2856
02:42:47,040 --> 02:42:50,720
I think it maybe got edged out
by Koda, which ended up winning

2857
02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:55,080
that year.
I thought Koda was fine, a fine

2858
02:42:55,080 --> 02:42:56,520
movie.
I didn't think it was like, oh,

2859
02:42:56,520 --> 02:42:59,240
this should win Best picture
sort of movie, but.

2860
02:43:00,520 --> 02:43:03,920
Oh, well, I I think that that
Koda, I haven't seen it, but you

2861
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:06,240
know, I know it's that's.
Fine, it's a good movie.

2862
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:08,000
It's like, it's like one of
those things where it's like,

2863
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,560
yeah, I mean, I, you know, let's
pick that one.

2864
02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:15,920
Yeah, it's like a, it's like a
six or seven out of 10 sort of

2865
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:19,240
movie to me, you know?
If it wasn't about a deaf

2866
02:43:19,240 --> 02:43:23,200
family, you probably wouldn't.
Yeah, agree.

2867
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:26,840
You know, Yeah, it did the those
were the six it didn't win.

2868
02:43:26,840 --> 02:43:30,840
It did win one, which was Ariana
Dubose for supporting actress.

2869
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:34,120
So well deserved keeping up the
Anita.

2870
02:43:34,120 --> 02:43:38,560
If if in 50 years from now West
Side Story gets remade again.

2871
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:42,760
I'm sure the Anita.
I I guess the Anita will have to

2872
02:43:42,760 --> 02:43:45,720
win supporting actress.
Yeah, that's the rules.

2873
02:43:45,720 --> 02:43:47,120
Now you.
Got to keep it going.

2874
02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:53,000
But yeah, I mean, we've talked
already really a lot about our

2875
02:43:53,000 --> 02:43:57,800
favorite shots and we've talked
a lot about our favorite.

2876
02:43:57,800 --> 02:44:00,040
Like, I don't know, our other
themes.

2877
02:44:00,400 --> 02:44:03,480
Was there any other like
thematic elements you wanted to

2878
02:44:03,480 --> 02:44:06,320
hit on before we wrap up?
I think we've hit them all,

2879
02:44:06,320 --> 02:44:07,480
really.
I think we really hit all the

2880
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:10,480
major ones, you know?
Race relations, gentrification,

2881
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:14,920
immigration.
You know, yeah, it's all there.

2882
02:44:15,120 --> 02:44:17,720
It is.
Yeah, it's all still there, so.

2883
02:44:18,600 --> 02:44:20,800
Well, hit.
I'll hit my final thought then.

2884
02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:24,120
But towards the end of the
special features documentary,

2885
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:28,400
Spielberg says I'll be nearly 75
years old when the film comes

2886
02:44:28,400 --> 02:44:30,600
out.
And I realized you can teach an

2887
02:44:30,600 --> 02:44:34,800
old dog new tricks, UN quote.
And he he kind of at other

2888
02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:38,240
points talks about like how much
of A joy filled experience this

2889
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:40,280
was for him.
It gave him a lot of

2890
02:44:40,280 --> 02:44:42,800
fulfillment.
It gave him closure for this

2891
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:46,320
promise he had made to himself
so long ago that he was going to

2892
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:51,000
try to make the remake this
movie or just make a musical in

2893
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:52,880
general.
And I don't know, it just, it

2894
02:44:52,880 --> 02:44:57,160
just kind of, it made me like
happy just thinking about

2895
02:44:57,240 --> 02:45:02,400
Spielberg at 75 years old, like
fulfilling a dream that he's had

2896
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:05,080
his whole life.
Like how many people are like

2897
02:45:05,560 --> 02:45:10,560
pursuing lifelong dreams at 75
years old and like pulling it

2898
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:14,320
off in such a phenomenal way.
And it's like, I don't know, it

2899
02:45:14,320 --> 02:45:19,240
just was inspiring to me to like
not give up on dreams that I

2900
02:45:19,240 --> 02:45:22,040
might have or things that I want
to do or pursue.

2901
02:45:22,040 --> 02:45:25,760
So if you're out there and
you're listening and you're 75

2902
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:31,560
years old or you know 20 years
old or 40, you know, it's not

2903
02:45:31,560 --> 02:45:35,440
too late to to pursue like
whatever dream you have like in

2904
02:45:35,440 --> 02:45:38,000
your heart.
Yeah, he he's kind of.

2905
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:40,480
Cliche, but that's what it got
me thinking about.

2906
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:44,040
Yeah, for sure.
You know, here's a question for

2907
02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:46,800
you.
So Spielberg is currently, I

2908
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:48,920
just checked, he's 78.
Yeah.

2909
02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:52,920
So I mean, you got you got a
couple of these classic kind of

2910
02:45:52,920 --> 02:45:57,840
our tours at this point, the new
Hollywood as they were Scorsese,

2911
02:45:58,360 --> 02:46:00,760
Francis Ford Coppola, some of
these guys.

2912
02:46:00,760 --> 02:46:02,040
I mean they're they're good out
there in years.

2913
02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:05,200
So you know, we got the
Fableman's that came out you'll

2914
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:07,240
be talking about on the next
episode.

2915
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:09,480
I think he's got another movie
coming out.

2916
02:46:09,480 --> 02:46:10,800
What next year?
Next year it's.

2917
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:14,040
Supposed to be like a UFO movie.
How many more of these you think

2918
02:46:14,200 --> 02:46:18,200
he's got in him considering
Clint Eastwood just made a movie

2919
02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:24,160
at like 93?
Yeah, no, you know, he, he still

2920
02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:29,160
feels when you see Spielberg and
you like, I mean, you don't see

2921
02:46:29,160 --> 02:46:32,520
a lot of them anymore, like out
there obviously because he is

2922
02:46:32,520 --> 02:46:35,680
older and he is like, I'm sure
trying to spend as much time

2923
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:38,720
with his family as possible.
But like when you do see him, he

2924
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:42,360
still feels pretty like full of
energy and excitement.

2925
02:46:42,920 --> 02:46:47,240
I'd imagine like I would I would
be bet that this next movie is

2926
02:46:47,240 --> 02:46:50,400
not his last movie.
So, you know, he just kind of

2927
02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:55,040
seen he's just kind of the kind
of guy that he'll he you know,

2928
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:57,560
he might die on a movie set
shooting a movie.

2929
02:46:57,560 --> 02:47:00,960
You know, he's just going to
keep doing what he loves to do

2930
02:47:00,960 --> 02:47:04,680
until he can't anymore.
OK, How would that was?

2931
02:47:04,680 --> 02:47:07,720
That would be what I would think
is OK.

2932
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:12,600
As long as he can get up and
beyond and do his thing beyond

2933
02:47:12,600 --> 02:47:15,360
set and do his thing, then he's
going to keep doing it so.

2934
02:47:16,040 --> 02:47:20,920
OK, I guess the second question,
because I won't be back before

2935
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:23,760
this Spielberg series finally
comes to an end.

2936
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:25,760
I think like I've been doing
this for like, what, a year at

2937
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:27,920
this point?
Yeah, over a year, yeah.

2938
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:31,800
Over a year, So what you're just
kind of reflecting on the

2939
02:47:31,800 --> 02:47:33,400
series.
What do you think was

2940
02:47:33,400 --> 02:47:35,480
Spielberg's greatest run movie
wise?

2941
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:41,520
I mean, it's probably it's OK,
let me pull it up.

2942
02:47:42,840 --> 02:47:45,160
I also want to remind your
viewers that for as many movies

2943
02:47:45,160 --> 02:47:47,800
he's directed, he's helped.
Produce.

2944
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:52,000
More infinitely more like.
So as much as you love Spielberg

2945
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:54,200
movies, there's probably a bunch
of other movies that you really

2946
02:47:54,200 --> 02:47:55,840
love that he had a hand in
making.

2947
02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:59,760
I mean, he is quite literally
one of the most influential film

2948
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:04,120
makers of all time and will
always be forever.

2949
02:48:04,120 --> 02:48:08,520
Absolutely.
You know, it's so a a run of

2950
02:48:08,520 --> 02:48:13,080
movies that are all great.
He doesn't have any run where

2951
02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:16,720
there's just like all of them
are just like phenomenal movies.

2952
02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:19,680
I don't think there's there
always is like a hiccup.

2953
02:48:20,040 --> 02:48:27,280
It's hard to argue against the
run from like Jaws through ET or

2954
02:48:27,280 --> 02:48:28,920
Temple of Doom.
If you're a Temple of Doom

2955
02:48:28,920 --> 02:48:36,080
person. 1941 is his worst movie
in my opinion, so that's thrown

2956
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:39,040
in the middle there.
But like Jaws, close Encounters,

2957
02:48:39,040 --> 02:48:45,000
Raiders, ET, Temple of Doom is a
really great run from like the

2958
02:48:45,000 --> 02:48:51,200
mid 70s to mid 80s.
Then the other run, I would say

2959
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:58,480
his like starting with Saving
Private Ryan and 998-9899

2960
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:02,360
whenever that came out through
Catch Me If You Can.

2961
02:49:02,360 --> 02:49:07,920
That's a four movie run that's
really good, but man, really

2962
02:49:07,920 --> 02:49:17,320
like his run from 2012 with
Lincoln, the BFG, you know, you

2963
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:21,680
know, your mileage may vary with
what you think of the BFGI.

2964
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:24,120
Think it's fine.
I don't think it's bad, but it's

2965
02:49:24,120 --> 02:49:26,960
not great.
I think Ready player one has a

2966
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:29,160
lot of problems.
So there's a couple of hiccups

2967
02:49:29,160 --> 02:49:34,120
in there, but I mean, even like
going back to War Horse I think

2968
02:49:34,120 --> 02:49:36,560
is a good movie.
War Horse, Lincoln, Bridge of

2969
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:40,040
Spies, The Post, West Side
Story, The Fableman's, those are

2970
02:49:40,040 --> 02:49:46,200
all really great movies.
Yeah, I definitely think like

2971
02:49:46,520 --> 02:49:48,680
East.
Like most iconic is East.

2972
02:49:48,680 --> 02:49:51,200
Silberg was great.
Yeah, most iconic would be

2973
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:54,560
probably Jaws through Temple of
Doom that run.

2974
02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:59,320
Yeah, I, I think my my favorite
Spielberg is definitely like mid

2975
02:49:59,320 --> 02:50:03,200
90s to mid thousands.
Like I think of my favorite film

2976
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:07,520
movies as much as I love the NAA
Jones films, Yeah, love ET all

2977
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:09,480
these stuff.
I mean, I'm like, I'm thinking

2978
02:50:09,480 --> 02:50:11,720
like I love Jurassic Park, love
Lost World.

2979
02:50:11,720 --> 02:50:13,360
Schindler's List is a
masterpiece.

2980
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:15,280
I know you.
You do.

2981
02:50:15,280 --> 02:50:17,760
I really.
Like AI lost world, I really

2982
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:19,840
like AI is.
Great.

2983
02:50:20,360 --> 02:50:22,720
Yeah, I.
Also really really really enjoy

2984
02:50:23,080 --> 02:50:25,040
Minority Report.
That's a really fun movie.

2985
02:50:25,040 --> 02:50:27,720
Catch me if you can.
I've not seen the terminal but

2986
02:50:27,720 --> 02:50:29,600
I've heard good thing.
War of the World I love his

2987
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:30,680
version of.
The terminal is.

2988
02:50:30,880 --> 02:50:33,160
Very pretty, you know, not not
not a fun one.

2989
02:50:33,160 --> 02:50:33,920
Not the.
Terminals.

2990
02:50:34,320 --> 02:50:35,960
The terminals got a lot of
issues.

2991
02:50:37,240 --> 02:50:39,760
Munich I think is one of my
biggest blind spots I've always

2992
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:41,720
wanted.
To watch it, it's been one of my

2993
02:50:43,720 --> 02:50:47,320
was one of my biggest.
The blind spots that blew me

2994
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:50,080
away the most, like the biggest
surprise of the whole thing is

2995
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:52,200
probably Munich.
I think it's phenomenal.

2996
02:50:52,200 --> 02:50:55,880
And when you do finally watch
it, you'll have the same feeling

2997
02:50:55,880 --> 02:51:00,600
of how is this so relevant?
This should not still be so

2998
02:51:00,600 --> 02:51:02,960
relevant.
Yeah, I definitely want to check

2999
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:04,640
it out.
I got to see what what it's on

3000
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:07,680
that I can watch on.
Here's my hot take, though.

3001
02:51:09,480 --> 02:51:12,880
West Side Story is a top five
Spielberg movie.

3002
02:51:13,560 --> 02:51:14,600
I don't think it's a hot take at
all.

3003
02:51:15,320 --> 02:51:17,800
I think a lot of people might
think it's a hot take.

3004
02:51:18,200 --> 02:51:21,040
But here's the.
Thing currently currently I have

3005
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:22,720
it slotted in at number.
Five.

3006
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:24,800
Here's the thing with Spielberg,
though.

3007
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:28,880
I think you could almost
separate his filmmaking into two

3008
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:31,880
categories.
You have the blockbusters and

3009
02:51:31,880 --> 02:51:34,240
you have, like, the art.
The art or films?

3010
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:36,880
Like the I think the serious
drama, dramatic films.

3011
02:51:36,960 --> 02:51:40,120
I think West Side Story easily
top five of like the his more

3012
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:45,080
serious work, but he's just.
But it's a lot of fun too.

3013
02:51:45,080 --> 02:51:46,760
It's it's kind.
Of what's your top five?

3014
02:51:46,760 --> 02:51:50,200
What's your top five?
Currently my top five is Jaws,

3015
02:51:50,200 --> 02:51:53,160
Schindler's List, ET, Jurassic
Park, West Side Story.

3016
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:59,200
You have West Side Story above,
above any Indiana Jones film.

3017
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:04,040
I struggle.
My favorite is is Last Crusade

3018
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:09,120
and I have it at #6 so any given
day I could switch those two

3019
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:11,320
probably, but Munich is right
there too.

3020
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:14,440
Honestly, Munich's fighting for
a top five spot too for me.

3021
02:52:15,200 --> 02:52:16,640
It was your top five one more
time.

3022
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:21,160
Jaws, Schindler's List, ET
Jurassic Park.

3023
02:52:21,160 --> 02:52:23,680
West Side Story.
You see, I would not put ET in

3024
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:26,000
the top five.
I love ET.

3025
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:28,680
It's a good movie.
It's a good movie.

3026
02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:32,640
It's fun, but I, I just, I
think, I think, I mean, dude, I

3027
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:35,920
would go, I would probably go
not necessarily in this

3028
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,680
particular order, but you got to
go Jaws, which I just got my

3029
02:52:38,680 --> 02:52:42,680
ticket for the 4K.
I'm going to try to go tomorrow

3030
02:52:42,680 --> 02:52:44,520
night.
I think, I think I got a ticket

3031
02:52:44,520 --> 02:52:46,560
for Tuesday.
I was surprised to see how many

3032
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:47,960
days it's running.
I think you got to take it for

3033
02:52:47,960 --> 02:52:52,680
Tuesday afternoon.
I mean, I'd probably go Jaws if

3034
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:54,800
I have to pick one Indiana Jones
movie.

3035
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:56,760
I feel like you got to go with
Raiders.

3036
02:52:56,960 --> 02:53:01,640
Yeah, that's if I was like
making like a Mount Rushmore of

3037
02:53:01,640 --> 02:53:04,480
Spielberg movies.
Like my personal preference

3038
02:53:04,480 --> 02:53:07,120
aside, Raiders would be on it.
But this is like.

3039
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:10,680
For me, like my favorites,
that's fair.

3040
02:53:10,680 --> 02:53:12,400
So OK, I'll go.
I'll go my favorites.

3041
02:53:12,400 --> 02:53:17,880
I would say Jaws for sure.
I think I would still put

3042
02:53:17,880 --> 02:53:18,960
Raiders.
I think when you watch all

3043
02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:22,440
three, like Indiana Jones films,
I think that's the one I do like

3044
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:26,080
the most.
Raiders, I think I'd go Jurassic

3045
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:29,680
Park.
Obviously I'd like Saving

3046
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:33,000
Private Ryan, but I feel like
I've only watched it once and I

3047
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:35,040
feel like when I watched it,
it's a great movie, but people

3048
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:36,640
think it's great.
But I'm like, I don't know.

3049
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:37,880
I think I've seen better war
movies.

3050
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:39,680
I'd rather watch like Black Hawk
Down.

3051
02:53:39,680 --> 02:53:44,920
Like I think that's a better war
film, personally, I think I

3052
02:53:44,920 --> 02:53:48,200
think West Side Story definitely
is deserving of of top five when

3053
02:53:48,200 --> 02:53:49,920
you when you look at everything
he's done.

3054
02:53:50,200 --> 02:53:53,440
Yeah, but but it's it's
definitely I don't think E TS

3055
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:57,160
top five I'm to be.
Honest, my top 18 Spielberg

3056
02:53:57,160 --> 02:54:02,680
movies are all four-star and up.
So yeah, I mean, when you have

3057
02:54:03,080 --> 02:54:06,040
18 movies that are like 8 out of
10 are up.

3058
02:54:06,680 --> 02:54:09,040
And what is 1941 for you?
What would you like?

3059
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:12,560
Where did you rate that one?
It's #40 on my list but I'm that

3060
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:14,680
includes like TV, movies and
shorts.

3061
02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:17,200
What, what, what what?
What rating did you give it?

3062
02:54:17,280 --> 02:54:18,400
Like what?
How many?

3063
02:54:18,440 --> 02:54:21,360
1 1/2 stars.
Oh wow.

3064
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:26,600
That's great, it could go #1.
It's I, I haven't seen it, so I

3065
02:54:26,600 --> 02:54:28,720
mean.
I mean, it has some great

3066
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:33,320
production, but man is it a
awful like for a movie that's

3067
02:54:33,320 --> 02:54:35,680
supposed to be a comedy.
I didn't laugh one time.

3068
02:54:35,960 --> 02:54:37,760
Except for laughing, I'm.
Not kidding.

3069
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:41,480
Like it's not even like this is
so bad it's making me laugh.

3070
02:54:41,480 --> 02:54:43,920
It's just.
Yeah, yeah.

3071
02:54:43,920 --> 02:54:46,560
I think I don't know.
You know, I think I have a lot

3072
02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:49,680
of respect for directors who
like and I guess, you know, if

3073
02:54:49,680 --> 02:54:52,520
you made his movie movies he has
and there's some directors have

3074
02:54:52,520 --> 02:54:54,640
been made more like you're going
to have some blunders.

3075
02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:58,120
But you know, I, I don't know, I
think if someone like Dene

3076
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:00,760
Vanov, I think if Christopher
Nolan, who are obviously are two

3077
02:55:00,760 --> 02:55:03,800
people who if Spielberg didn't
exist, they would not be film

3078
02:55:03,800 --> 02:55:04,520
makers, right?
Like.

3079
02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:06,800
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Like like, like Christopher

3080
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:10,280
Nolan has has is on the record
saying the first movie he really

3081
02:55:10,280 --> 02:55:13,280
attached to as a kid was like
2001 A Space Odyssey.

3082
02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:16,200
And you know, Stanley Kubrick
and Steven Spielberg are like

3083
02:55:16,360 --> 02:55:19,120
coming up together in the 60s
and 70s when they start making

3084
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:21,240
stuff.
So all part of the same kind of

3085
02:55:21,240 --> 02:55:24,560
like young New Hollywood kind of
kind of stuff that happened in

3086
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:28,000
the 70s and so.
You know, AI crossover.

3087
02:55:28,760 --> 02:55:31,600
What exactly Exactly It's so
it's, it's just, it's really

3088
02:55:31,600 --> 02:55:36,520
interesting to see how not only
can Spielberg like, like inspire

3089
02:55:36,520 --> 02:55:39,400
film makers that we love today,
but like, they're still making

3090
02:55:39,400 --> 02:55:43,720
stuff too, you know, And it just
goes to show like how like

3091
02:55:43,720 --> 02:55:47,080
cinema is like very old, but
also very new still in other

3092
02:55:47,080 --> 02:55:48,960
ways.
There's still new things to do.

3093
02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:52,920
And I think, you know, just kind
of like wrapping things up with

3094
02:55:52,920 --> 02:55:55,920
all of this, like I think that
this version of West Side Story

3095
02:55:55,920 --> 02:56:00,200
shows that like there's there's
still like, if you're going to

3096
02:56:00,200 --> 02:56:04,320
re the amazing thing about this
movie is this is this came out

3097
02:56:04,320 --> 02:56:08,360
at the time where like the
things that you're supposed to

3098
02:56:08,360 --> 02:56:13,440
remake are like superhero
related or like Ghostbusters

3099
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:16,600
related, or that's the things
you're supposed to remake.

3100
02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:18,920
And here comes Spielberg and
he's like, I'm going to make,

3101
02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:25,400
I'm going to remake a 19th is
early 60s musical classic.

3102
02:56:25,400 --> 02:56:29,520
And it's just like the boldness
and the courage to do that.

3103
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:33,560
And then and also like the
confidence knowing that or like

3104
02:56:34,760 --> 02:56:38,320
at least hoping that you can
pull it off and and just nailing

3105
02:56:38,320 --> 02:56:39,680
it.
I just love that.

3106
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:42,400
Everything about this movie is
the definition of They don't

3107
02:56:42,400 --> 02:56:44,000
make them like they used to.
Yeah.

3108
02:56:44,120 --> 02:56:47,160
And like, and like it's, it's
like one of those things where

3109
02:56:47,160 --> 02:56:50,320
it's like it, it's kind of how I
feel about like Oppenheimer.

3110
02:56:50,560 --> 02:56:53,360
Like there are there.
I don't really think there's

3111
02:56:53,360 --> 02:56:56,920
anyone else on in the
entertainment industry other

3112
02:56:56,920 --> 02:56:59,560
than Christopher Nolan that
could say, I want to make a

3113
02:56:59,560 --> 02:57:03,880
three hour biopic about a, about
a nuclear physicist and it's

3114
02:57:03,880 --> 02:57:06,360
going to cost like $150 million.
Yeah.

3115
02:57:06,520 --> 02:57:08,760
Christopher Nolan says that
they're like, what do we sign?

3116
02:57:08,760 --> 02:57:10,080
Anyone else?
They're going to be like, whoa,

3117
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:12,080
hold on there.
But yeah.

3118
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:13,040
And like, the same thing with
this.

3119
02:57:13,040 --> 02:57:15,760
It's like, I'd really don't know
if anyone else besides Steven

3120
02:57:15,760 --> 02:57:17,840
Spielberg could have made this
movie.

3121
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:19,440
Oh, yeah.
Because they wouldn't have

3122
02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:23,040
gotten the budget needed to make
it at the level in which he was

3123
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:25,240
able to do so.
Yeah, absolutely.

3124
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:28,160
Yeah.
Great movie.

3125
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:32,440
I love how much I loved this
movie on rewatch so.

3126
02:57:33,160 --> 02:57:35,480
Yeah, same.
I bumped it from a from a four

3127
02:57:35,480 --> 02:57:37,640
to four and a half.
Same, same exact thing.

3128
02:57:39,480 --> 02:57:41,680
Yeah.
I mean, there's not really much

3129
02:57:41,680 --> 02:57:44,200
else to say about it.
I mean, there are more things,

3130
02:57:44,200 --> 02:57:47,960
more like interesting tidbits.
But we we've talked enough about

3131
02:57:47,960 --> 02:57:49,880
it, I think.
And I like to the the kind of

3132
02:57:49,880 --> 02:57:51,840
like look back.
We just did too.

3133
02:57:51,840 --> 02:57:57,400
That was fun.
We are going to record a 21st

3134
02:57:57,400 --> 02:58:00,920
century movie musicals draft
that you will hear next week.

3135
02:58:00,920 --> 02:58:07,280
So JP will be on again for that.
So that's going to be fun to do

3136
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:09,880
to kind of partner with this
episode.

3137
02:58:09,880 --> 02:58:12,880
And then of course, we'll be
getting into the Fableman's our

3138
02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:18,600
last Spielberg film to cover.
So bittersweet coming up.

3139
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:24,280
Bittersweet episodes.
But but yeah, JP, where should

3140
02:58:24,280 --> 02:58:27,120
the people follow you to keep up
with what you're up to?

3141
02:58:28,720 --> 02:58:31,480
You always feel free to follow
me on Instagram.

3142
02:58:31,640 --> 02:58:35,760
That's always the best place to
keep track of updates for

3143
02:58:35,760 --> 02:58:38,880
whatever I'm doing, whether it
be, you know, life updates, film

3144
02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:43,120
related stuff, or even even
maybe my my own little little

3145
02:58:43,120 --> 02:58:45,040
things that we might be working
on so.

3146
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:48,880
Yeah, yeah, and I'll link that
in the episode description for

3147
02:58:48,880 --> 02:58:51,440
you to follow him.
I'll link your letterbox too.

3148
02:58:51,480 --> 02:58:52,960
Always fun to follow on
Letterbox.

3149
02:58:52,960 --> 02:58:57,240
So yeah, go follow JP on
Instagram on Letterbox.

3150
02:58:57,240 --> 02:58:59,600
He does.
He does better than me at

3151
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:01,120
logging movies.
I think I'm.

3152
02:59:01,120 --> 02:59:02,960
Going to be honest though bro.
Way behind.

3153
02:59:02,960 --> 02:59:09,240
You're the, you're the one that
that got me more into, into

3154
02:59:09,240 --> 02:59:11,880
logging my stuff on letterbox.
So I've had a letterbox account

3155
02:59:11,880 --> 02:59:14,120
for a while.
I didn't really keep up with it

3156
02:59:14,120 --> 02:59:16,120
that much.
And I think it was you and maybe

3157
02:59:16,120 --> 02:59:19,480
a couple other people that like
being more consistent.

3158
02:59:19,480 --> 02:59:21,920
So now anytime I watch a movie,
like the first thing I think

3159
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:23,760
about, it's like, oh, I got to
log it in a letterbox.

3160
02:59:23,760 --> 02:59:26,320
Yeah, yeah, You know, I, I think
it's going to be one of those

3161
02:59:26,320 --> 02:59:29,000
cool things like one day for
like my kids to like, look back

3162
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:30,520
on and.
Yeah, I think so too to.

3163
02:59:30,520 --> 02:59:33,000
See all this stuff that.
I've all my stats.

3164
02:59:33,000 --> 02:59:34,920
What movie did dad watch the
most?

3165
02:59:35,160 --> 02:59:40,520
Oh Fantastic Mr. Fox and and The
Muppets Christmas Carol.

3166
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:42,760
OK.
Oh yeah, every year.

3167
02:59:43,000 --> 02:59:44,600
I'll watch those two movies
every year.

3168
02:59:44,600 --> 02:59:46,360
So Thanksgiving and Christmas,
Yeah.

3169
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:50,240
Go follow JP.
That's all we have this week.

3170
02:59:50,600 --> 02:59:54,040
I've been Eli Price for Jean
Pierre Boudreaux.

3171
02:59:54,040 --> 02:59:56,800
You've been listening to the
establishing shot.

3172
02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:03,520
We will see you next time.
We will not be here for a little

3173
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:06,360
while.
But look, I think it was this

3174
03:00:06,360 --> 03:00:08,400
way.
Better to be king for a night

3175
03:00:08,480 --> 03:00:09,480
than schmuck for a lifetime.