Writers in Movies Draft (w/ Kara Smith)

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It wasn't closely What's the
secret thing?

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Just got to find something you
love to do and then do it for

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the rest of your life.
I don't want to be a product of

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my environment, I want my
environment to be a product.

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Of me.
Hello.

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And welcome to the Establishing
Shot, the podcast where we do

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deep dives and two directors and
their filmographies, I and your

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host, Eli.
Price and we are here.

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On episode 110 of the podcast
and.

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Yeah, we are.
We had.

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Great conversation last.
Week with.

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Roslyn Hernandez coming on for
the.

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Post had a great time doing.
That with her and I.

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Thought it would be a good idea.
To do an old movie draft, run it

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back.
We did, along with the French

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Dispatch inside of that episode.
We did a Writers in Movies draft

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and so.
I thought that would pair well

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with this.
My guest for that episode was

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Kara Smith.
We had a great a great.

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Time doing this draft and yeah,
now this has its own episode, so

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it's been fun to go back since
I've reformatted the show to

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where movie drafts are their own
episodes and kind of pull the

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movie.
Drafts out of those.

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And and bring them back.
So.

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So yeah, go.
Back and listen to.

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That that conversation with.
About the post with.

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Roslyn This week we're going to
dive into a movie draft about

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writers and movies.
We were kind of.

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Flexible with that as.
I think I'll explain in this

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episode of.
What?

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Who can be considered a writer
in a movie?

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And we had a little bit of fun
with that.

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But but yeah, I hope you enjoyed
this movie draft.

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Back to the show.
Let's go ahead and jump into our

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movie draft section.
So yeah, kind of along with the

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the French Dispatch theme, we're
going to be drafting movies

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about writers and film.
And so, you know, this is your

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first time tuning in.
Basically the movie draft is

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just we take turns choosing from
the pool of whatever genre or,

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you know, whatever you want to
call it that I've come up with

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for this week.
So, you know, we're going to be

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taking turns care.
We'll take the first pick and

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we're kind of will accumulate
our own team of movies from that

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theme.
And so and then, yeah, we'll put

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it out there and see who people
think have the best list.

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Yeah.
I when I was thinking about

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this, I was thinking, well, I
don't want to just, you know, I

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don't think Wes would want to
just limit it to writers of like

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books or magazines like.
So let's expand it.

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I said be creative with how you
think of writers, whether it's

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music or however you want to
apply it.

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Let's let's be creative.
And yeah, so that's what we're

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going to do.
We're going to draft writers in

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film movies with about writers.
Yeah.

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And so, yeah, let's, let's just
jump right in.

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Carrie, you're a first time
guest, so you get the first

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pick.
So where are you going with the

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very first pick of the writers
in film draft?

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Yes, so though I am, I am going
to be taking a liberal stance on

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the term writer later.
For my first pick, I'm going for

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a straight up writer and I am
choosing The Help, which is a

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wonderful classic movie, amazing
acting and about A1, who wants

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to show the world the
perspectives of the women who

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help in her town and who work
for, you know, families like

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hers.
And it shows her a little, her

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writing process.
It shows her trying to get the

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book made.
It shows the book coming to

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fruition and, you know,
supporting these people,

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changing their lives.
And so a true writer, a

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wonderful movie and a great one
to go back and watch if you

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haven't watched it in a while.
I hadn't seen it in so long.

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And I saw it the other day
because it just happened to, you

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know, pop up as like, a
suggestion.

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And I was like, this is such a
good movie.

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So funny, so sweet, so
heartbreaking.

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It's all the things.
Yeah, yeah, it is a really good

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movie.
I I enjoy that one the and it

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does have like, you know, it is
there.

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It has some very funny moments
and also like some very like

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emotionally affecting moments.
Yeah, that's, that's a really

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good one.
And I don't even know, I don't

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think I had it on my list, but I
don't know why it feels like it

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should have come up when I was
looking, but but yeah, and not

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on my list, unfortunately,
because it should have been.

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OK, So how I was hoping that I
would be able to get this.

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And it's one that I mentioned
just a minute ago and it's one

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that like from the moment, like
I saw it in theaters, like I

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absolutely loved.
And that's Greg Gerwig's Little

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Women.
I love, I love her.

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I like the old one too, you
know, not the older, older ones

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because there are several
adaptations, but the one from

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the 90s, I believe it's got 1
owner Ryder in it.

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And yeah, that one's, that one's
good too.

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But this one I love, she adds.
I love she.

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Added so much to this, to this
telling of this little women's

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story.
Yeah, and the way she structured

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it was great.
And Sorcerer Ronan is just like

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just so perfect in that role.
And so yeah, that's that's my

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first pick.
Probably not where you thought I

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would go, but I knew that I
needed to snag it early.

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And it's one that I really,
really do love.

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So.
Yeah, I definitely.

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Yeah.
Where are you going to go next?

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I.
Thought I would be able to grab

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that at some point because I
thought you would start off with

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something else or, you know, I
don't know what you would start

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with, but I was thinking like,
oh, maybe me with Little Women,

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but I should have known that
with Greta Gerwig, it would be

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on the top of the top of the
brain.

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I'm going with a different take
on writer.

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This movie is based off of
writing of two characters

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writing to one another all
throughout the film.

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You get to the end without the
knowledge, without 1 character

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having the knowledge that the
other was the writer all along.

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It's how they meet.
It's how they fall in love.

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I am stealing.
You've got mail.

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And technically, she is a
writer.

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She does have book.
Book writer, Yes, she does.

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And just like, you know, Little
Women, it had previous

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iterations with like shop around
the corner from back in the day.

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And again, they were letter
writers.

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Which is great, yeah.
So they wrote letters, these

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guys write emails, but it's all
the same.

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And some of the writing in it is
so, you know, nice and poetic

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and it's just such a good movie.
Also, I thought based off of the

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people we have in common, I feel
as though that's going to help

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me get some votes in the long
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If your family's feeding, that
might help me out a lot because

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I know we all love that movie.
Yeah, I mean, I love You've Got

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Mail too.
It's one of my favorite ROM coms

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I would say just like thinking
about that genre.

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Also directed by a woman, Nora
Ephraim.

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There you go.
What?

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Who's the help directed by?
I don't know off the top of my

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head, I don't know that it's
directed by the woman.

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By a woman, I think.
I mean it's written by a woman.

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I believe Tate Taylor is the
director.

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OK, well, two out of the three
so far, directed by women, so

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they were.
Little did we know we were going

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to be on theme there too, but
probably won't stay on theme as

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far as that goes.
Yeah, I have a really long list

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here, which I'm realizing is
kind of working against me

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because it's so hard to choose
what to pick next.

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But I think I'm going to go
with, oh, it's so hard.

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I think I'm gonna go with
another movie that I think is

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really, really good.
It's one that's like a 10 out of

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10 for me about one of my
favorite directors.

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And it is a little bit.
It's not this character is not a

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writer in the sense you would
normally think, but he keeps a

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journal and that serves as like
a narrative, like a narration

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structure through the movie.
And that's a taxi driver.

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All right.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You know, And it really is like

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that.
That's the the his journal

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entries are kind of the framing
device for the movie.

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And so in that sense, he is a
writer and it it's plays an

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important role in how the movie
plays out and really like not

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just what not in not even I
guess so much in what happens in

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the movie, but the giving you
his perspective and and he does

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it.
His writing actually is like not

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bad from that, from what it for
what it is too, I would say.

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And so I, that's just one that I
I think is like just a

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masterpiece or close to it for a
movie.

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So that's that's where I'm going
with my second pick.

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Where?
Are you going next?

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My third pick, it's going to be
a very classic movie, a big kind

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of jumping off point for several
actors.

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I kind of put it on there with
like Dazed and Confused as like,

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there's so many people in there
once you go back and watch it.

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But it is following a young,
fresh writer as he writes for

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Rolling Stones.
So I'm going with Almost Famous.

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Very good pick.
Yeah, I finally picked up on

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where you were going there
towards the end.

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Yeah.
It's a really fun movie, Yeah.

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And so many people like, for
sure, Jimmy Fallon, Kate Hudson,

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Zooey Deschanel, all these
people as just babies, really.

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Mm hmm.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, that's a really good one.
Yeah.

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I'm trying to think of where I
want to go next.

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Yeah.
So like I have pics that like I

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feel like are more like crowd
pleasing pics.

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I might do do me better for the
pole, but I also have that have

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pics that like probably less
people have seen, but that I

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really like.
And so that's the that's the

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dilemma I'm in.
And so like, do I want to please

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the crowd and win the pole or do
I want to put these movies,

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yeah, be true to myself, but
also put these movies out there

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so maybe someone might watch
one.

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So if I'm going to do that, I
guess I'll start with the one

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that is more accessible, meaning
that, you know, probably pretty

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much anyone could watch it and
enjoy it without having to think

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too hard.
And that is a really sweet

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little as not a little, but a
sweet movie called Sing St.

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It's about have you seen it?
Yeah, I have.

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That's great.
Yeah.

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So it's written by John Carney,
who is probably more famous for

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the movie once.
Yes, that has Yeah, that has

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Glenn Hansard and Marqueta
Erglova.

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Who?
Oh man, the I'm trying to think

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of their they came out together
as like a kind of music duo and

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I'm blanking on the name of the
group.

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But but anyway, Sing street is
like this boy in Dublin growing

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up and he has a he has a band.
And so like the writing portion

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is they write music and it's
like these very like 80s like

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pop rock songs that him and his
friends are writing.

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And he like falls in love with a
girl that was old that's like

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older.
He's kind of like, maybe like

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preteen to like maybe 13 or 14.
And, you know, she's kind of

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like, feels like more like 17
years old and so like he's

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trying to, like, impress this
girl and it.

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I don't know.
I just love it.

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The songs are fun.
The like, he's very sweet as a

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character.
Yeah.

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It just makes me smile.
It's a it's a really good movie.

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Yeah.
I had to watch it.

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It was Irish so.
Yeah, there you go.

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Yeah, you liked it too.
Yeah, I did like it.

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I think it's cute and it's just.
Yeah, it's very 80s.

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It's very Irish.
It's funny.

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Yeah, and it's just one.
It's one of those movies that I

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just like, smiled through the
whole thing, which is kind of

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rare.
And so like, I just love it.

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So I hope me mentioning that
will make some people watch

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Sings Treat.
I thought it was good.

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Yeah.
All right, where's your, what's

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your 4th pick going to be?
OK so since you changed it up

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and went lesser known, mine is
not lesser known I would say but

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I am going to throw it old and
classic movie.

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This was one of the movies that
was referenced in Gilmore Girls

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and was 1.
I think I originally saw it

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because I rented it from
blockbusters back in the day but

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I love it starring Cary Grant
and Roslyn Russell.

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I'm going with His Girl Friday,
which is a classic movie about

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two writers for a paper and
falling in love and bickering

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and falling out and back in love
through their process of being

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in The Newsroom together and
getting the story and writing

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and just, it's such a bouncy old
classic movie.

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I love it.
Yeah, I haven't seen that one,

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but I but I would love to see
it.

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Yeah, that one is.
It's definitely one that's been

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on my radar.
Yeah, that's a great one.

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And just like a common
reference, you know, when there

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are two characters in any movie
or TV show or book where they

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like bounce off each other, have
a love hate relationship, It's

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the his go Friday kind of, you
know, vibe.

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And you definitely you get
understand why that's the

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reference when you watch it.
Yeah, for sure.

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OK, Yeah, So I'm going to go.
It's my 4th pick now.

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I'm going to go with yeah, OK.
I think I know where I'm going

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to go with this one.
I'm going to go with Adaptation.

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Adaptation is it's starring, you
know, Nick Cage famously and his

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dual role as twin brothers.
It's directed by Spike Jones,

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but but really like famously
written by Charlie Kaufman,

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who's who's kind of more people
probably are familiar with Being

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John Malkovich, which was
written by Kaufman, directed by

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Spike Jones, but this one is
actually like more.

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It has Meryl Streep in it and
Charlie Kaufman as a writer.

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He's it's really interesting as
a writer to begin with.

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But this is this movie is
basically like the character is

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named Charlie Kaufman, Nick
Cage's character, who's the main

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character.
And so Charlie Kaufman loved

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this book written by Susan
Orlean called like the Orchid,

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something, I can't even remember
what it's called.

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Oh, the orchid thief about
flowers.

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And it's, it's he wanted to
adapt it.

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It's not a it's not a work of
fiction.

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It's a work of nonfiction, but
he wanted to adapt it into a

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movie, but he couldn't figure
out how to adapt it into a

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movie.
And so he just like, wrote

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himself into it.
And it's about the, the writing

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endeavor of trying to adapt
something that's not adaptable.

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And just like how it's this to
me is Nick Cage's best

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performance as this kind of
these dual character, these twin

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brothers.
It's it's a really, there's a

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lot of interesting stuff going
on here.

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Meryl Streep probably plays the
author of the book he's trying

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to adapt.
And yeah, it's a really wild,

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anything about Charlie Kaufman
is really wild and out there.

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But yeah, I think most people
could watch this and and

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appreciate it.
But yeah, I love it.

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It's a great movie.
So yeah, that's where I'm going

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with my first big adaptation.
OK, I am going to go with one

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that film Bros would hate me
for, but it was the very first

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thing that I thought of when I
thought of writing.

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So I'm going to go with Letters
to Juliet, which is a classic

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2010 ROM com starring Amanda
Seyfried and Vanessa Redgrave.

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And again, we've got letter
writing which counts, including

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the women who are the
secretaries of Juliet who

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respond to all of the broken
hearted.

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And then Amanda Seyfried ends up
becoming a writer at the

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newspaper that she was just
previously fact checker after

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this story and this journey she
takes with this grandmother and

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grandson.
So I mean, it's cheesy and

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adorable and just an Italian
summer dream.

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You got to love it.
Great.

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I haven't seen it, so I can't I
can't film bro and like critique

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you for it because I haven't
seen it.

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So there.
You go yeah, but yeah, So, you

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know, great pick back pick.
I don't know the people.

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The people will decide I.
Think the people will?

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Decide with me.
Yeah.

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So there's my next pick is
probably going to be another one

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that not many people have seen,
but it's by a director that I

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really love, Jim Jarmusch.
This is, I guess this would

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probably be one of his more
popular movies, the other one

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being Only Lovers Left Alive
that stars Tilta Swinton and Tom

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Hiddleston as vampires.
But this movie that I'm picking

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is Patterson.
It stars Adam Driver as the

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titular character, Patterson and
living in the town of Paterson,

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NJ And he is this bus driver
that is an aspiring poet.

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And and so like on his best
route, whenever he's making

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stops, he pulls out his notebook
and is writing poetry.

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And you kind of get some like
annotated, you know, words

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across the screen, like of him
writing his and like kind of

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dictating his poetry narrative
narration style, I guess.

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And it's, it's funny because
like he's, he lives this mundane

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life.
He has, he has a wife that they

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have a little bit of a rocky
relationship.

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And it's very, yeah, he's a bus
driver.

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It's a very mundane life he
lives.

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It's very like structured his,
his life.

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You kind of see through the
movie, his, the structure of his

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life.
And yeah, it's.

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But what's what's really
interesting is like he's writing

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this poetry that is actually
like really beautiful.

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Like you're hearing it and
you're like, man, this is

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actually like really beautiful
poetry and really like poignant.

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But if you get the feeling that
no one will ever know.

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Yeah.
Because how can this guy who's a

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bus driver in Paterson, NJ, get
his work out there?

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And so it's kind of, you know,
and then at on top of that, a

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lot of create, you know, people
that are creative in that way.

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Like you always feel like your
work isn't that great.

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Yeah.
You're never satisfied.

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And so like he, you know, his
wife kind of pushes him to keep

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riding.
And.

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But yeah, it's a really good
movie.

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Just kind of like, I guess about
that, that I that endeavor of

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like keeping on doing like what
you are actually like, you know,

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gifted to do.
And I think on top of that, like

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Paterson, NJ is like the home of
actually like a, a decent amount

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of famous, like artists and
poets.

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And so like, he has that like
weighing over him of like, I'll

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never be this.
But yeah, it's a it's a really

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good movie.
And Adam Driver is in it.

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So that's kind of like my pool
of like, if you haven't seen it,

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Adam Driver is in it is he's the
main character.

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So go see it.
Yeah, it, it really is.

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I I loved it.
I think it's my favorite Jim

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Jarmus movie and I've seen a
decent amount of his.

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So.
Yeah.

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Patterson.
OK.

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Your this is your 6th pick.
Yes, my 6th.

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Pick.
I am going with a very

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emotional, very beautiful story,
kind of about the like writing,

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what writing can do and how it
can free you and how it can lead

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to kind of, I don't know, the
betterment of yourself and

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understand yourself.
I'm going to go with Freedom

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Writers, The seven, Hilary Swank
classic.

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But really, you know, definitely
the first time I saw it.

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I feel like I didn't even see
the full movie The first time.

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I think it was just on TV.
But obviously just having these

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like kids who are just really in
kind of the worst situation

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growing up in kind of a
hopeless, like, no, I'm just

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going to be, you know, on on the
streets, like my family.

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I'm going to end up in a
horrible situation, but then

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giving them the encouragement to
do something for themselves and

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giving them these journals and,
and you know, leading them to

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write like having those outlets
and like we were talking earlier

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about like the oppression of of
where you stand, but then giving

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someone an outlet to create and
to work process through that.

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Even if you know they don't
become a famous artist, the you

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know, the idea of hoping for the
future because you have an

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outlet to process your situation
is you know it's beautiful.

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Yeah, yeah, I actually haven't
seen Freedom Riders, but it's

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one of those movies that like
you hear about and you feel like

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you've seen it.
Yeah, because you feel inspired.

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You feel inspired just hearing
about, like the premise or the,

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like, story behind it that
inspired it.

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And so, yeah, it's definitely
one of those like just inspiring

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movies that like, man, I haven't
seen that, but I'm, I'm, I'm

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inspired just about by hearing
about that story.

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Yeah.
I feel like that's probably a

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movie that inspired a lot of
people to become teachers or,

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and or if you're are a teacher,
they, you know, tell you to go

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watch that and, you know, do
good and be good for the world.

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For sure.
OK, I have several.

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I always have several that I
want to do, but only like 2

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picks left.
So I think what I'm going to do

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is, man, it's so hard.
I'm going to have to definitely

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give some honorable mentions
because I have a really long

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list, but I'm going to go with,
oh, geez.

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I'm trying to see.
I'm trying to look at how many

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films I have that are like
actually writing and how many

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like I'm stretching.
But really I'm not stretching.

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Taxi Driver was maybe the
biggest stretch.

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The other ones are like largely
about writing.

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So I feel like I can stretch a
little bit, but man.

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So I'm going to go with a very
recent movie that came out last

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year that was really, really
good.

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I'm going to go with Tar
starring Clay Cate Blanchett.

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She's, she's a composer writing
well, she's a composer and

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largely a conductor.
So I would say it's, you know,

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it's a bit of a stretch because
largely what she does is, is

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conduct.
But there's a sense in which she

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is like taking a piece of music
and like, writing the way it

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sounds by the way she conducts.
Yeah.

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So it's a bit of a stretch.
But I think she also does

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compose stuff.
Technically, that character has

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composed her own stuff in the
past, too.

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So I guess maybe it's not that
much of A stretch.

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Yeah.
But but yeah, it's, I think

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obviously like Cate Blanchett is
just the powerhouse of an

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actress and everything she does
is, is fantastic.

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And but this role is just like,
felt like it was like made for

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her is just like she was
incredible in it.

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And it really is about there's a
degree to which it's about the

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just the systems around like
that world of creating and, you

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know, in this sense, like
writing or conducting and like

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the, the power structures in
place in those worlds too.

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And how like as you gain power,
what do you do with it?

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So as a especially like, as a
creative that has so much

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influence on the culture.
And so yeah, it very, very, very

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good movie.
And yeah, that's why I'm going

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to go with all.
Right.

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So is this my last one?
All right, I am just, you know,

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I'm sure that other people will
be able to tell based off my

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list that I I do watch a lot of
popular movies and I do watch a

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lot of ROM coms.
And I'm just going to stay true

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to that because I do think it'll
get me the popular vote.

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I don't know what your voting
demographic looks like, but.

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I don't either, I think.
For the masses, I I might win

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just off of popularity or like
name recognition, but yeah, I'm

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going to stick to true to me.
So I'm going another ROM com

447
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,440
2003.
Something's got to give starring

448
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,720
Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson
and Keanu Reeves and Frances

449
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Mcdormand's in there.
So you're pulling it back with a

450
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Wes Anderson like tried and
true.

451
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,480
And it was also directed by a
woman, Nancy Meyers.

452
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,280
So, you know, we're just really
trying it all together.

453
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720
But she you know, have you seen
something got to give?

454
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,440
I haven't, but I would like to.
Yeah, this one is a famous, you

455
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,480
know, ROM com Nancy Meyers
movie.

456
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Diane Keaton plays a playwright
who throughout the process of

457
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,400
meeting Jack Nicholson and, you
know, dealing with a lot of

458
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840
things, whether that's her
daughter or these other men in

459
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520
her life.
She is a playwright.

460
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,840
And she also in the movie writes
a play with some of the scenes

461
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,480
that you have witnessed as well
and that, you know, becomes, you

462
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,000
know, funny, very entertaining
for for the crowd and really

463
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,000
hurtful to Jack Nicholson.
But, you know, of course, the

464
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440
ROM coms.
So it's it bounces back and

465
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,640
forth.
It's a good one.

466
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,080
It's a classic 1, you know, So
that's my going to be my last

467
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,400
pick.
Great.

468
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Yeah.
I mean, you can't go wrong with

469
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Jack Nicholson.
No, But yeah, you know, he's one

470
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,320
of those guys that, like, you
think about like there's,

471
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,800
there's, there's not many people
that probably couldn't work in a

472
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360
Wes Anderson movie.
But now that I'm thinking about,

473
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,760
I'm like, man, would Jack
Nicholson work in a Wes Anderson

474
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,080
movie?
I don't know.

475
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,640
Maybe not.
You might.

476
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Be a little too much like, I
don't know, the energy might not

477
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,720
be quite right.
Right, Yeah, it's very

478
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,360
interesting to think about.
I think I saw saw someone asking

479
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,240
on Twitter recently like, what
actor would not work in a Wes

480
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,680
Anderson movie?
Yeah, but I I did not think

481
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,600
about.
I didn't think about him.

482
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
But yeah, Jack Nicholson, I
don't know if he would work.

483
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,560
I don't know.
But he's not he's not acting

484
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,960
right now.
So we will never.

485
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,320
We'll never know.
All right, my last pick.

486
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,840
I have some other ones that I
would really love to get on get

487
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,720
on this list.
But since we're since we seem to

488
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,120
be circling back around and
staying on theme with things

489
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,600
we've been talking about, I'm
going to go with a documentary

490
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:42,320
called I Am Not Your Negro.
It's it's about James Baldwin.

491
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,920
So it's directed by Raoul Peck,
who is a Haitian filmmaker.

492
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:55,240
He, he does a decent amount of
documentary work, but this is,

493
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,080
he's basically like working from
the some text of James Baldwin's

494
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,040
like unfinished work.
He, James Baldwin had a novel

495
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960
that he never finished before he
died.

496
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,760
And he, yeah.
So he's, he's working off of

497
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,720
that unfinished novel.
And it's kind of like a

498
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,000
reflection of what it is to be
black in in America.

499
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
And so it's based on Baldwin's
work.

500
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,800
It's it's actually narrated by
Samuel L Jackson.

501
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,200
And then it has a lot of like,
has a lot of like archive

502
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:42,320
footage of, of just like James
Baldwin, of course, and, you

503
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,480
know, a lot of interviews with
him, but, you know, obviously

504
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,760
with big names like King Junior
and Malcolm X and Harry

505
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Belafonte, there's some archive
footage of him, Sidney Poitier,

506
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Ray Charles.
And so yeah, it's, it's just

507
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,400
this documentary and it's a very
like, it's, it's not like a

508
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,199
straightforward documentary like
you would think of.

509
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:15,639
It very much sticks to the the
kind of like poetic eloquence

510
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,480
that Baldwin had.
And so like, it's kind of like a

511
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,679
collage of these, you know, this
footage of these black Americans

512
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,239
that were influential.
And like, when you put

513
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,480
everything together, you really
have a a sense of just the the,

514
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120
I don't know, the injustice of,
of it all.

515
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,199
And so, yeah, that's that's one
that I feel like just sticking

516
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,679
on.
It's very much about a writer

517
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,320
working off of James Baldwin's
work.

518
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:59,040
And yeah, circles back to the
influence of the the character

519
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,400
that Jeffrey Wright played in
The French Dispatch and Roebuck

520
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,800
Wright.
And so, yeah, I feel like that's

521
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,520
a good, yeah.
Coming full circle moment with

522
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,240
the final pick of the draft.
Yeah.

523
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,000
So that's that's our movie
draft.

524
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Let's I'm going to read back our
pick and yeah.

525
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,080
So Kara ended up with the help
you've got mail almost famous

526
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,520
his girl Friday letters to
Juliet Freedom Riders and

527
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,520
something's got to give.
I ended with Little Women Taxi

528
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Driver, Sing St.
Adaptation, Patterson Tar and

529
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,560
I'm not Your Negro.
And yeah, it's, these are some

530
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,320
good lists.
Yeah, we'll, we'll put it out

531
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,280
there and see, see what the
people think.

532
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,960
You definitely have some, some
crowd pleasers.

533
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Yeah.
And then, you know, I, I think I

534
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,720
have some for the, the, you
know, cinephile if you want to

535
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:07,640
say that.
For sure.

536
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,840
So we'll just see who the voters
are, basically.

537
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you know, we'll see if

538
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,880
more people that you share with
vote for you and your popular

539
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,240
picks.
But.

540
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,640
But I mean, I've got little
women.

541
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,960
I know I'm mad you stole little
women.

542
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,680
That for sure was going.
To be in there.

543
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Yeah, yeah.
And a lot of people know, know

544
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,240
and like Taxi Driver too.
Yeah, for sure.

545
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,120
And Tom has had like, obviously
it's very fresh on the brain,

546
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,640
critically explained.
Yeah, so I don't know, I I just

547
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,520
felt like I wanted to get some
movies out there that I wanted

548
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,560
people to see What this one, I
was less worried about winning

549
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,800
the poll.
So, well, hey, if you win.

550
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,440
People to see all.
The things that I.

551
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Just posted.
They're all great.

552
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,680
There's, yeah, there's some that
I wanted to see that I haven't

553
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,120
seen yet, that maybe now I will.
So great.

554
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,360
Yeah, that's that was our movie
draft.

555
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Hello again.
Do you know how you can really

556
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,080
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557
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558
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560
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That might allow for ratings and

559
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,680
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These really help the visibility

560
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,320
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561
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,400
button right now and drop the
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562
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,840
can get back to the show.
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563
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
OK, I trust that you when left
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564
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,320
Now back to the show.
Well that was a fun movie draft.

565
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Interesting list.
We ended up with.

566
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,560
There.
And and yeah, I I found my

567
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,200
memory.
Serves me right, Kara.

568
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Destroyed me she had like this
Facebook army of ROM com lovers

569
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,520
come out and just like my.
Biggest defeat?

570
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Ever in the history of the show
on a pole for a movie draft.

571
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:22,040
So yeah, Congrats, very belated
Congrats to Kara on that for for

572
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,560
destroying me.
But yeah, that, that was a fun

573
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,320
movie draft.
We'll be picking up back up next

574
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
week with our Spielberg.
Series.

575
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,920
With Ready Player 1.
We had already recorded it.

576
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,320
Great.
Conversation about that movie.

577
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Long conversation.
It's one of our longer episodes,

578
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,160
so buckle up for next week.
It's going to be a fun one.

579
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,120
It's going to be quite the ride.
But yeah, that is it for this

580
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,360
week.
I've been Eli Price and you've

581
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,640
been listening to the
establishing shot.

582
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,320
We will see you.
Next time.

583
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,440
We were happy here.
For a little while.

584
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,040
But look, I figured this way
better to be king for a night

585
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,120
than smoke for a lifetime.